Text of memos about Bush suspension (AP claiming white house released forged docs!)

AP/Boston Globe ^ | 9/9/2004 | AP

[Lee'sGhost]

Thanks. You gave the pertinent facts in bullet form. Just the way it should be done.

[Bush or Kerry You decide]

It's actually kind of sad. Before you even begin to listen to a story, you have to look at the possible motives. I can see it now:

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"This is Dan Rather. It was reported, by a well known source (smile and blink) familiar with hurricane activity, that the GOP is behind the irregular number of storms ounding Florida this season. The unnamed source said that the GOP had started these hurricanes so that Florida residents would have large monetary losses. Then the source claimed, that this obviously gave President Bush a chance to arrive with easily attainable funds and get their vote in November. Next on 60 minutes, you will hear a man, who agreed to meet with me confidentially of course, describe various drug sales made to White House personnel...."

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Yep...kinda sad

[outlawcam]

Can't W sue??

If he didn't pursue Clinton, he won't pursue Rather. The blood is in the water, folks. Now it's time for the sharks to swarm.

[Kackikat]

FORGING MILITARY DOCUMENTS IS A FEDERAL OFFENSE, and I WONDER what the MAXIMUM PENALITIES are?

OF COURSE so is photographing classified documents, how is Sandy Berger??

[Keith]

WE DO...it the Washington Times...and they are growing in stature with every MSM screw up...

[Zon]

Wholesale Fraud?

Clearing up AP's intent to deceive its publishing customers. Which in turn would spread the deception to those publisher's customers.

CBS faxed four documents to the White House. The White House then gave copies of those faxed documents to the Associated Press.

[Robert A Cook PE]

OK.

So, how is CBS gonna prove they're "real" documents?

Let's see. "IF" they really have the originals, then the original writer's fingerprints would be on them, wouldn't they?

"IF" they had no originals, but only copies, they'ed be able to show "proof of transfer" or "proof of evidence" tracing them to the originals?

"IF" the originals REALLY existed, then CBS could "certainly" get them from the original source (NOW! - since their authenticity is called into question! and since they are certainly no longer a "closet secret" in "personal records" - ---> And WHY are "personal records being kept out of AF formal documentation processes?), even if at some point in time CBS "only" had copies of the original forgeries?

Just questions. Just questions.

[Mark]

Wait a minute. This can all be explained. Two words: Time Travel- a computer taken back in time.

[laredo44]

Don't forget kerning. Even if a typewriter is capable of proportionate font work, it is unlikely to be able to accommodate kerning which requires knowledge of the prior letter typed.

For an example of kerning, check the way rightmost stroke of the A tucks under the leftmost stroke of the W in AW. To achieve that, the typewriter would have to back the carriage up a little after typing the A.

[Robert A Cook PE]

Ooops!

[Howlin]

Thanks.

But, again, those are the other records, not this TANG memos.

[DaveMSmith]

Understood... just wanted to keep the discussion concise. :)

[glorgau]

The old media is in its final death throes...what did it take, less than an hour for the documents to come under serious doubt last night?

That was one of the big arguements concerning the "new media" - that they didn't have the resources to vet information properly. It looks like CBS doesn't have the resources either. :-)

[johnny7]

I already have,

Most thinking people have... but the papers don't care. As long as they still get advertisers to pay, they'll print info-news... DNC talking points.

[BJungNan]

Who has declared these memos to be forgeries? Freepers, or some official source?

Maybe this sheds some light on your question.

The 32-year-old documents produced Wednesday by the CBS News program "60 Minutes," shedding a negative light on President Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard, may have been forged using a current word processing program, according to typography experts.

Three independent typography experts told CNSNews.com they were suspicious of the documents from 1972 and 1973 because they were typed using a proportional font, not common at that time, and they used a superscript font feature found in today's Microsoft Word program.

The documents came from the "personal office file" of Bush's former squadron commander Jerry B. Killian, according to Kelli Edwards, a spokeswoman for "60 Minutes," who was quoted in Thursday's Washington Post. Edwards declined to tell the Post how the news program obtained the documents.

Link to the story is here:
http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewPolitics.asp?Page=\Politics\archive\200409\POL20040909d.html

[boop]

Well done. I mean I KNOW the president has a lot of power, but didn't these "documents" come from Killian's wife? How and why would the WH even know they existed, and how would they obtain them, and yes, WHY is the CBS frickin' FAX number at the top of the "WH" document??????

[Cai Della]

To: Tom Oliphant - Boston Globe

Hey, girlieman, are you embroiled in this faked-documents-gate case?

[Captain Rhino]

>>Also, from Powerline:

Kevin Drum:
UPDATE: I now have copies of the memos the White House released, and they are just versions that CBS faxed to the White House the day before the 60 Minutes segment aired. There's no indication that the White House had its own copies of these memos and had been sitting on them.<<

This comment really makes the AP/Boston Globe bogus.

The documents "provided by the White House" are the CBS documents that are currently under challenge as fakes. (CBS probably faxed them to the White House immediately before the show as a "heads up" courtesy.) The White House simply passed them through from on lying...er, make that liberal, media outlet to another.

[Zon]

Wholesale Fraud?

Clearing up AP's intent to deceive its publishing customers. Which in turn would spread the deception to those publishers' customers.

CBS faxed four documents to the White House. The White House then gave copies of those faxed documents to the Associated Press.

An AP article implied that the documents originated from the White House. The AP article neglected to say that the documents originated from CBS. The AP obviously didn't want to identify the author of the article and chose to leave blank the by line.

There's a high probability that two of the documents CBS faxed to the White House are forgeries. The original documents have been aired on 60 Minutes hosted by Dan Rather. At minimum it calls into question the integrity and veracity of Dan Rather, CBS and the Associated Press.

[ShandaLear]

Leading is a clue too. The space between the lines and paragraphs. Sure would like to see what the standard spacing was for typwriters at the time compared to these dics.