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To: Luis Gonzalez
You are ignorant -

http://www.chechnyafree.ru/index.php?lng=eng&section=mhiscoseng&row=1

Imam Mansur launched an anticolonial war in the Northern Caucasus in 1785. His men attacked the forts of Kizlyar, Vladikavkaz and Grigoripolis, as well as numerous Cossack villages. And it was not until 1859 that Russia had finally settled the problem of the left bank of the Terek by capturing Imam Shamil and scattering his troops.

http://www.cecenonline.com/eng/history.htm

1780 - The Chechens started a rising against the occupation by the tsar Russia. The leader of the Jihad was Sheikh Mansur! Imam Mansur was arrested in 1791 and got the martyrdom in 1794 in the jail of Slisselarg.

"Speedy Gonzales was a little to fast with his history. Chechnya has been part of Russia since the 18th century."

So who is wrong now 'useful idiot'?

92 posted on 09/09/2004 3:52:29 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro

There are people in this world who, lacking the ability to advance a notion, support an idea, or debate a point, resort to the one method available to them...vitriol.

You are one of those people.

Chechen terrorists committed an atrocity of monumental scale in Beslan, no one in this thread, myself included, has actually defended them; the article begins with a clear statement to that effect: "Nobody should excuse what happened in Beslan."

But beyond that, and addressed in the second part of that opening line is the actual topic of the article: "but Chechnya still needs a solution."

Here's a clue cowboy: Chechnya will not be nuked, they will not be razed from the Earth, and their people will not be massacred by the Russians. None of those are solutions that either Russia, or any civilized Western nation will embrace, and anyone who advocates such actions is no better than the people who murdered those children, because they too will be advocating the murder of children.

Now, in your infinite ignorance, you believe that a sophomoric game of name-calling while hiding behind the anonymity of an Internet bulletin board makes you brave, or maybe strong, or maybe even a man...it does none of those things, and in all actuality, it has the exact opposite effect...it exposes you as an immature, boorish dolt.

Chechnya still needs a solution, and you don't have the first notion of what that solution is...as a matter of fact, you can't even get Chechen history straight:

Imperial Russia's control of the Caucasus stretched from 1818 to 1917 the Chechens fought bitterly during an unsuccessful rebellion in the 1850's led by Imam Shamyl; the Bolsheviks seized the region in 1918, but were dislodged in 1919.

After Soviet rule was reestablished, the area was included in 1921 in the Mountain People's Republic, the Chechen Autonomous Region was created in 1922, in 1934 it became part of the Chechen-Ingush Region, and in 1936, it was made a republic.

The fact that an Imam from the region attacked Cossacks in 1785 has nothing to do with the fact that Russia conquered Chechnya in the 19th, not the 17th, Century.


96 posted on 09/09/2004 7:32:32 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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