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What a tempest in a teapot. The mind numbing thing about it is that the MSM is willing to believe the memos of a DEAD man, and are totally unwilling to interview the Swift Boat Veterans.
1 posted on 09/09/2004 12:06:40 AM PDT by Utah Girl
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The White House released memos Wednesday night saying that George W. Bush was suspended from flying fighter jets for failing to meet standards of the Texas Air National Guard.

The first sentence; a complete and utter lie.

2 posted on 09/09/2004 12:08:06 AM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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Want to know why the RATs had no bounce, and the GOP a big one?

Simple - the media.

Prior to the formal RAT convention, the Socialist media had been conducting a continous convention on their behalf. No bounce, because the public wasn't exposed to anything new.

Prior to the GOP convention, the Socialist media filtered and blocked the GOP message. A huge bounce resulted when the GOP was able to speak directly to the public for almost the first time.

Moral of the story?

Bush needs to pierce the Socialist media blockade by making and leading the news - meeting with Putin, going to Florida, announcing new initiatives, etc.


7 posted on 09/09/2004 12:14:00 AM PDT by Enduring Freedom (Freepers are Crusader Warriors)
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A third Killian memo makes clear that Killian was concerned from the outset over Bush's plan to go to Alabama because the military had spent a substantial sum of money turning Bush into a pilot and that his National Guard duties might suffer if he went elsewhere.

I'd like to see how they come up with that.

8 posted on 09/09/2004 12:14:14 AM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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This whole 'national guard' thing has worked so well for john kerry and the dems in the past, it's no wonder they're trying it yet again!

Seriously, people know bush by now. They know how he reacts to threats to our national security. He's been given a challenge to our country that's unrivaled in the past 60 years and performed how a commander in chief is expected to perform.



What the kerryites don't get is why the swiftvets were so effective- john kerry was an unknown coming into this election. He attempted to define himself based on his experience in vietnam 35 years ago, and found that rug pulled out from under him. The swift vets were devasting because he had nothing else to stand on.

The libs and the press will huff and puff and think this is going to blow down the bush white house. But it's pointless because people have already formed their impression of bush, for better or for worse. They're going to see this and say "so what". And they're going to be thinking that this makes the kerry campaign look even more pathetic.


13 posted on 09/09/2004 12:18:21 AM PDT by flashbunny
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Where did CBS get these memos? I assume there would be hundreds of other memos by Bush's commanding officer, from the same source of a similar nature on other pilots also available.


16 posted on 09/09/2004 12:26:02 AM PDT by igoramus987
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Here's another thread about the CBS story. There appear to be inconsistencies about the memos that would be consistent with forgery. The biggest one is how a memo from an ANG unit was typed with proportional fonts in 1972.

THE "New" CBS BUSH DOCUMENTS: Let's do some investigating

21 posted on 09/09/2004 12:38:22 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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I guess we know who Killian is voting for this year.


29 posted on 09/09/2004 12:54:16 AM PDT by nonkultur
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The reason this assault on George Bush's national guard record is not going to effectively weaken his support is because George Bush and Dick Cheney DID NOT make their Viet Nam war era actions a plank of their campaign — not a central plank, not even a peripheral plank.  Kerry did and in so doing now looks very much like a hypocrite and hypocrisy goes to the character of the man.

It's old news. It happened before most of the electorate was even born.  If Kerry left it alone, nobody would be examining his Viet Nam service and post service actions.  In addition, aside from Kerry groupies, most fair minded people don't believe Bush or his campaign staff were involved with the swift boat controversy.  It's a private fight between the Swift Boat veterans and Kerry because the wounds the veterans suffered upon returning home have never healed.  This is the first time they have been able to speak publicly and bring their case before the American people.  In a sense, this has been a catharsis for them and therefore a healing experience.  They need to heal.

For this reason this is going to roll off Bush as if he was made of teflon®.  The man is not a hypocrite.  This national guard business didn't stop him from being elected in 2000.  In 2004, it has less chance because during the last three years Bush has established a commendable record as Comander-In-Chief and his campaign is focussing on THAT.

32 posted on 09/09/2004 12:56:42 AM PDT by Free2Be49 (A wise man's heart inclines him toward the right, but a fool's heart toward the left. Ecc. 10:2 RSV)
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Republicans need to label this attack as ridiculous,and ask the media why Kerry's testimony in 1971 is not a treasonous act? Let's go republicans!
41 posted on 09/09/2004 1:08:35 AM PDT by patriciamary
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It's not like Bush quit the guard and trashed the US Government, the US Navy, the US Air Force, the US Marines, and the US Army ...


50 posted on 09/09/2004 1:58:37 AM PDT by John Lenin ("Si vis pacem, para bellum")
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ping


57 posted on 09/09/2004 3:26:25 AM PDT by southland (Alabama for BUSH)
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Part of the problem with dealing with this issue is the lack of clear, concise information. One important piece is how the President has cooperated. For example, has he signed a form 180? I do believe he has. If so, the newspapers are not forcing the release of these documents. Surely this confusion must be cleared up.

Another part of the problem is the deadening detail of this issue. The bottom line is the President received an honorable discharge. Were we not told to trust government records when it came to Senator Kerry's medals?

A final part of the problem is the failure of the Administration or someone to highlight this issue is a way the Kerry supporters plan to answer the charges of the Swifties. Rather than have Kerry address the issues directly as to whether he spent Christmas in Cambodia, whether the first Purple Heart was received for enemy fire and whether his boat left and the others remained or visa versa in respect to the Bronze Star they make an ad hominem attack on the President's Texas National Guard Service. Actually, the Kerry campaign does not even need to make the attack since the MSM seems sufficiently coordinated and supportive of his campaign to carry his water.

It would seem to me the President's campaign people and others must quickly and forcefully bring these points from background to foreground or else the Kerry people and the MSM will redefine the issue.

Also, someone must have some idea of what the hidden issues are for the Kerry people that the MSM is suppressing. A little leak here and there would not hurt. In any case speculative anticipation on scandals is an exciting form of political foreplay.

59 posted on 09/09/2004 3:52:57 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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Let's keep talking about the era. The Bush people won't mind a bit.


62 posted on 09/09/2004 5:22:25 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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ping


65 posted on 09/09/2004 5:46:40 AM PDT by embedded_rebel
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My thoughts were quite a bit different than most of the ones expressed here.

I saw the headline, then read the article, and found the headline to be extremely misleading.

The headline and first sentence implies that Bush was suspended for failing somehow. The article then goes on to show that he didn't want to fly, that he wanted to be transferred to a non-flying position in Alabama, and that he wanted to campaign for his dad.

I didn't think of "forgery" or anything like that. It looks to me that he fulfilled the minimum requirements of his duties so that he could campaign for his dad. Nothing to brag about, but no scandal there. He was honorably discharged. I don't see what the big deal is and I don't think most of America will either. I think this is a non-issue.


73 posted on 09/09/2004 8:20:33 AM PDT by Miztiki
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This is why I said Bush should have denounced the SBV ads, let them continue on their own. He'd be in the clear on all this.


74 posted on 09/09/2004 9:30:11 AM PDT by Soundman4x4
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