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Putin Urges Strength; School Toll Tops 340
My Way News ^ | 9/4/04 | MIKE ECKEL/AP

Posted on 09/04/2004 2:18:21 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: valleygal

its not cold blood.


61 posted on 09/04/2004 3:19:54 PM PDT by phxaz (w: 7 minutes of composure. kerry: 37 minutes of paralysis.)
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To: phxaz

You're evil.


62 posted on 09/04/2004 3:23:07 PM PDT by Kornev
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To: phxaz
piss on you russia. youre getting what you deserve.

Just in case your post gets pulled, I want all to see what you said. How HORRIBLE is that statement????? WHY did you feel the need for that?

63 posted on 09/04/2004 3:23:41 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma
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To: wagglebee

You're right, and that quote, 'We showed weakness, and weak people are beaten,' should resonate in the US. Hello, Liberals everywhere and JF..ing Kerry. Muslim monsters are only interested in sitting down to chat after they've blown up all you hold dear and plan to move on to the next school, town, country. They shoot you in the back as they run out the door. There's no compromise possible. Total defeat is necessary, whatever that takes.


64 posted on 09/04/2004 3:24:40 PM PDT by hershey
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To: phxaz
its not cold blood.

Do tell. What IS cold blood if THIS wasn't?

65 posted on 09/04/2004 3:25:03 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma
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To: wagglebee; ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; ...
[...] Terrorists think that they are stronger, that they will be able to intimidate us, to paralyze our will, to erode our society. It seems that we have a choice: to resist or to cave in and agree with their claims; to give up and allow them to destroy and to take Russia apart, in hope that eventually they would leave us alone.[...]

Very good speech!

66 posted on 09/04/2004 3:27:06 PM PDT by A. Pole (Madeleine Albright:"We are the indispensable nation. We stand tall. We see further into the future.")
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To: phxaz

I'm waiting for an answer, as I'm sure many others are. If this wasn't cold blood, WHAT IS?


67 posted on 09/04/2004 3:27:44 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma
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To: wagglebee

That's one heck of a speech.


68 posted on 09/04/2004 3:28:35 PM PDT by hershey
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To: M Kehoe

I'm with you all the way on Fallujah's continued existence on earth. The only question is why?


69 posted on 09/04/2004 3:31:02 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Criminal Number 18F
Chechen terrorists even operated successfully inside the old Soviet Union. The Police State only suppresses legitimate dissent, not terrorism.

Chechnyans got nowhere until Russian communism was overthrown. Their scale of terror was much lower. The Russian police state-KGB kept these eternal pests in their place. Their role was limited to display of colorful folkloric costumes in "Soviet Life"

70 posted on 09/04/2004 3:34:34 PM PDT by dennisw (Allah FUBAR!)
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To: wagglebee

"I think history will look back on this tragedy as a pivotal event in the war on terror. Putin will now be firmly behind Bush, and the Russians will be absolutely ruthless when it comes to dealing with the jihadists.
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I think as far as terrorism is concerned, the us and russia have been on the same page for a long time. Other differences between the countries, such as economics, geopolitics (meaning the US integrating former SSR;s and warsaw pact members into NATO), and the invasion of Iraq (which the bulk of the world believes was a secular despotic government that did not support AQ) are the major issues between the US and russia. The US has always made sympathetic notes when russia goes and razes villages or whatever in chechnya.


71 posted on 09/04/2004 3:37:32 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: wagglebee

I hope that he will behind Bush, but from his statement it was caused by the fall of the Soviet Union, I'm more afraid that he will turn back fully to communism. He already rules somewhat with an iron fist and loose freedoms for the people. This might push him over the edge in the wrong direction.


72 posted on 09/04/2004 3:38:06 PM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: dennisw

"As far as I can tell it exists because GWBush cannot handle many (any?) American combat deaths and still get re-elected."

My take on this is different....it is because the US cannot take decisive action against civilian areas due to the media's complete opposition to US policy in iraq and its willingness to show the most inflamatory images to the world, and as a corrolary the US unwillingness to suffer the consequences of such images being publicized.


73 posted on 09/04/2004 3:40:48 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Brad's Gramma

the blood that runs through your pc veins. thats what.

russia isnt our ally in the war on terror, they are our enemy. americans died because of the policies and popular opinions of that trash nation. not with us = against us. more of those who are against us that die the better.


74 posted on 09/04/2004 3:42:24 PM PDT by phxaz (w: 7 minutes of composure. kerry: 37 minutes of paralysis.)
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To: Bobby777

The only way Israel will be around in 30 years will be due to divine intervention. As for Mohammedanism, it will get nuked up, use nukes, then be obliterated starting with Mecca and Tehran. The Iranians have the most power. They have 70 million population and sponsor terror world wide. If they get nukes it will be even worse. The only way they don't get nukes is GWBush wins big enough for the US and/or Israel to take direct action.


75 posted on 09/04/2004 3:42:46 PM PDT by dennisw (Allah FUBAR!)
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To: WoofDog123

I don't disagree. If the media were neutral then America could tolerate combat deaths and a cleansing of Falluja terrorists. But a neutral media is in the past. I'm amazed conservatives win any elections. They do only because conservatism is watered down from what it used to be.


76 posted on 09/04/2004 3:46:21 PM PDT by dennisw (Allah FUBAR!)
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To: dennisw

"I'm amazed conservatives win any elections."

Isn't it amazing? As you alluded, today's republicans are arguably more liberal than 1960's democrats, though.

I wonder how it would be if we were still living in a 1990-style information age (tv and print media only, no fox)?


77 posted on 09/04/2004 3:53:33 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: oceanview
"My conclusion is taht Putin won't really be doing much about this, there isn't going to be any kind of large scale military action. "

I think you are missing a careful analysis of Putin's options. What are they?

  1. A lot of the terrorists were "Chechen. He's not going to announce to the world that he is going to get tougher with them. He already has territorial control. He doesn't need to influence world opinion to do what he needs to do.
  2. He did note an international element to the terrorists. And Al Quaeda has been named as well But again here Putin's options are limited.
    • the US already controls Afghanistan, you can't invade there.
    • The US already controls Iraq, you can't invade there.
    • He could go after Syria or Iran, but he has had too close of relations with them.
    • He could go after Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt or Morrocco, but I doubt unless he builds a strong case linking one of their governments to the terrorism, he would have domestic support for doing so.

Putin's problem is that unlike Bush who already had Osama and Saddam in his cross-hairs, Putin doesn't have a target, except the Chechen Islamists that he already is at war with.

The investigation might turn up a target. Syria and Iran do need to be dealt with. And Egypt's culture needs to be changed to. Whether Putin want's to tackle one of those or support the U.S. and let us do it, remainst to be seen.

78 posted on 09/04/2004 3:58:30 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: phxaz
the blood that runs through your pc veins.

You don't know me well.

Well, at least you came back to answer me. I'll give ya that much.

79 posted on 09/04/2004 4:00:13 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma
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To: wagglebee

When does the bombing start?


80 posted on 09/04/2004 4:01:58 PM PDT by angcat
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