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Putin Urges Strength; School Toll Tops 340
My Way News ^ | 9/4/04 | MIKE ECKEL/AP

Posted on 09/04/2004 2:18:21 PM PDT by wagglebee

BESLAN, Russia (AP) - A shaken President Vladimir Putin made a rare and candid admission of Russian weakness Saturday in the face of an "all-out war" by terrorists after more than 340 people - nearly half of them children - were killed in a hostage-taking at a southern school.

Putin went on national television to tell Russians that they must mobilize against terrorism and promised wide-ranging reforms to toughen security forces and purge corruption.

"We showed weakness, and weak people are beaten," he said.

Shocked relatives wandered among row after row of bodies lined up in black plastic or clear body bags on the pavement at a morgue in Vladikavkaz, the capital of North Ossetia, where the dead from the school standoff in Baslan were taken. In some open bags lay the contorted, thin bodies of children, some monstrously charred.

In Baslan, other relatives scoured lists of names to see if their loved ones had survived the chaos of the day before, when the standoff turned into violence, with militants setting off explosives in the school and commandos moving in to seize the building.

Workers cleaned up the gymnasium where the more than 1,000 hostages were held during the 62-hour ordeal. The gym of School No. 1 was reduced to a shell - the roof destroyed, the windows shattered - during Friday's fighting.

Regional Emergency Situations Minister Boris Dzgoyev said 323 people, including 156 children, were killed. More than 542 people including 336 children were hospitalized, medical officials said.

Dzgoyev also said 35 attackers - heavily-armed and explosive-laden men and women who were reportedly demanding independence for Chechnya - were killed in 10 hours of battles that shook the area around the school with gunfire and explosions after 1 p.m. Friday. Earlier, a senior prosecutor had said there were only 26 militants and all were killed. The discrepancy could not immediately be explained.

Putin made a quick visit to the town before dawn Friday, meeting local officials and touring a hospital to speak with wounded. He stopped to stroke the head of one injured child.

But some in the region were unimpressed, as grief turned to anger, both at the militants and at the government response.

"Putin arrived and left in the middle of the night while everyone is sleeping, probably because he was afraid to talk with the people, to look them in the eyes," said Zalina Gutiyeva, 37, a pediatrician in Vladikavkaz, the capital of North Ossetia, a Russian Orthodox region set amid the predominantly Muslim North Caucasus.

It was still unclear how exactly the standoff fell apart into violence on Friday. Officials say security forces had not intended to storm the building but were forced to when hostage-takers set off explosives - some however questioned that version.

The militants seized the school on the first day of classes on Wednesday, herding hundreds of children, parents who had been dropping their kids off, and other adults into the gymnasium, which the militants promptly wired with explosives - including bombs hanging from the basketball hoops. The packed gym became sweltering, and the hostage-takers refused to allow in food or water.

One survivor, Sima Albegova, told the Kommersant newspaper she asked the militants, why the captives were taken. "Because you vote for your Putin," one of the militants told her, she said.

Another freed hostages said a militant told her, "The federal forces killed our children and you didn't help us. If Putin doesn't withdraw forces from Chechnya and doesn't free our arrested brothers, we'll blow everything up," according to the Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper.

Russian officials said the bloodshed began when explosions were apparently set off by the militants - possibly by accident - as emergency workers entered the school courtyard to collect the bodies of hostages killed in the initial raid Wednesday.

Diana Gadzhinova, a 14-year-old hostage, was quoted as telling Izvestia that the militants had ordered the hostages to lie face down in the gymnasium as workers approached to collect the bodies.

"They told us that there were going to be talks," she said. Others also told stories of how the explosions sent the militants guarding them running in what appeared to be confusion and surprise to see what had happened.

Hostages fled during the explosions, and the militants opened fire on them. Security forces opened fire in return, and commandos moved in, officials said.

The explosions tore through the roof of the gymnasium, sending wreckage down on hostages, killing many. Many survivors emerged naked covered in ashes and soot, their feet bloody from jumping barefoot out of broken windows to escape.

During his visit to Beslan, Putin stressed that security officials had not planned to storm the school - trying to fend off any potential criticism that the government side had provoked the bloodshed. He ordered the region's borders closed while officials searched for everyone connected with the attack.

"What happened was a terrorist act that was inhuman and unprecedented in its cruelty," Putin said in his televised speech later. "It is a challenge not to the president, the parliament and the government but a challenge to all of Russia, to all of our people. It is an attack on our nation."

Putin took a defiant tone, acknowledging Russia's weaknesses, but blaming it on the fall of the Soviet Union, foreign foes seeking to tear apart Russia and on corrupt officials. He said Russians could no longer live "carefree" and must all confront terrorism.

He called for Russians to mobilize against what he said was the "common danger" of terrorism. Measures would be taken, Putin promised, to overhaul the law enforcement organs, which he acknowledged had been infected by corruption, and tighten borders.

"We are obliged to create a much more effective security system and to demand action from our law enforcement organs that would be adequate to the level and scale of the new threats," he said.

The school attack was the latest violence thought connected to Chechen separatists who have been battling Russian rule for more than a decade. IT came after a suicide bomb attack outside a Moscow subway station Tuesday that killed eight people, and last week's near-simultaneous crashes of two Russian jetliners after what officials believe were explosions on board.

An unidentified intelligence official was quoted by the ITAR-Tass news agency as saying the school assault was financed by Abu Omar As-Seyf, an Arab who allegedly represents al-Qaida in Chechnya, and masterminded by Chechen rebel leader Shamil Basayev.

With some families gathering for wakes for the dead, some were vowing vengeance in North Ossetia, a Russian Orthodox Christian region in the mainly Muslim North Caucasus.

"Fathers will bury their children, and after 40 days (the Orthodox mourning period) ... they will take up weapons and seek revenge," said Alan Kargiyev, a 20-year-old university student in Vladikavkaz.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: barbarians; ossetia; putin; terrorism
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To: wagglebee
"We showed weakness, and weak people are beaten," he said.

For all the media and liberals who lurk here, if you vote for Kerry, YOU ARE IDIOTS!

41 posted on 09/04/2004 3:00:37 PM PDT by valleygal
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To: wagglebee

PUTIN! Stop supporting Iran!


42 posted on 09/04/2004 3:02:21 PM PDT by AmericaUnited (It's time someone says the emperor has no clothes.)
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To: wagglebee

"Some want to tear off a big chunk of our country. Others help them to do it. They help because they think that Russia, as one of the greatest nuclear powers of the world, is still a threat, and this threat has to be eliminated. And terrorism is only an instrument to achieve these goals."

This could be a reference to the EU, really. Interesting.

Thanks for posting this speech, by the way.


43 posted on 09/04/2004 3:02:34 PM PDT by HarryCaul
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To: AmericaUnited

Hopefully, Bush is on the phone right now suggesting this!


44 posted on 09/04/2004 3:04:04 PM PDT by wagglebee (Benedict Arnold was for American independence before he was against it.)
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To: wagglebee

Thanks for the link. I hope that their blind arrogance throws Putin into the coalition with us. Russia is a good country to have on your side in a fight,and I tentatively add,they will undertake to do things that we might have to scruple to do sometimes,if they're really mad or afraid enough.


45 posted on 09/04/2004 3:04:24 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: valleygal

I would like to see Bush work this line into his campaign.


46 posted on 09/04/2004 3:06:04 PM PDT by wagglebee (Benedict Arnold was for American independence before he was against it.)
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To: Bobby777
Islam is a force of nature and must be dealt with as such. The Mohammedan conceit of being inevitable can be stopped in it's tracks if we do it right.
47 posted on 09/04/2004 3:06:28 PM PDT by dennisw (Allah FUBAR!)
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To: Bobby777

Thanks for the grin :)


48 posted on 09/04/2004 3:07:42 PM PDT by valleygal
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To: mrsmel

It would be nice to have an ally with an "I don't give a f***" attitude to do some of the "dirty work" and deflect criticism from Bush.


49 posted on 09/04/2004 3:08:12 PM PDT by wagglebee (Benedict Arnold was for American independence before he was against it.)
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To: wagglebee

Me, too.


50 posted on 09/04/2004 3:08:33 PM PDT by valleygal
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To: mrsmel
I fear that Putin will use this as an excuse to impose more authoritarian rule in Russia

That's certainly suggested by his references to the glory days of the Soviet Union in his speech. You will recall how the FBI used 9/11 as an excuse, not to chase terrorists (at which they were never much use, anyway), but to get new "antiterrorist" surveillance powers, which so far have only been used against run-of-the-mill criminals.

Ask a policeman for policy advice and he will hand you a road map to a police state. Note that Putin was, ere he became a political player, a career Chekist.

Finally, police state tactics have to be recognized as ineffective against terrorists. Chechen terrorists even operated successfully inside the old Soviet Union. The Police State only suppresses legitimate dissent, not terrorism.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

51 posted on 09/04/2004 3:09:51 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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To: dennisw

I'm afraid, my friend, that we are seeing shadows of the Apocalypse, distant at this point, but that this is how it begins. There will be more P.C., let's dialogue, Stockholm Syndrome, and 1,000's upon 1,000's will die.

these past two weeks, we've got over 500 dead in Russia. When these clowns get a nuclear weapon, a major city on the face of the Earth will evaporate and the radiation will spread all over. And there will be dancing in certain streets.


52 posted on 09/04/2004 3:09:57 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: valleygal

glad to be of service!

with the right voices and intonation, that's still a great joke!

8)


53 posted on 09/04/2004 3:11:19 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: wagglebee

Yes indeed,and the Russians don't have a large fifth column of liberals and "peaceniks" to answer to. The Russian people haven't as a whole been mentally corrupted like that,as far as I can tell. They still have perfectly logical reactions to people killing their loved ones,especially their children-kill the killers.

That's too much for our native "nuanced" liberals to understand.


54 posted on 09/04/2004 3:11:27 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: wagglebee

I'm assuming you meant the"weak are beaten line", not my Kerry voters are idiots line, LOL!


55 posted on 09/04/2004 3:11:27 PM PDT by valleygal
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To: wagglebee

piss on you russia. youre getting what you deserve.


56 posted on 09/04/2004 3:12:06 PM PDT by phxaz (w: 7 minutes of composure. kerry: 37 minutes of paralysis.)
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To: phxaz

No country deserves to have their children murdered in cold blood.


57 posted on 09/04/2004 3:13:27 PM PDT by valleygal
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To: valleygal

Yeah, telling people they are idiots usually doesn't make them very agreeable to your position. :)


58 posted on 09/04/2004 3:17:01 PM PDT by wagglebee (Benedict Arnold was for American independence before he was against it.)
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To: Criminal Number 18F

I have no fear of a police state assuming power in this country. We don't have a history of it,and our culture and people wouldn't permit it. I have no problem with our own authorities tightening security in times like these.No American whether left or right would submit to authoritarian rule.

From many things that I've read,many of the Russian people themselves are nostalgic for the "glory days" of Soviet rule!!!


59 posted on 09/04/2004 3:17:05 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: phxaz

You think that those children did something to deserve being held hostage and killed by those animals? This wasn't a coup d'etat, it was the holding and murder of children,for heaven's sake!


60 posted on 09/04/2004 3:19:30 PM PDT by mrsmel
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