[Travis McGee]

Plus, 9-11 was essentially a fait accompli. This is an ongoing hostage crisis involving 100s of children, and the Russians are justified in upping the ante to the terrorists' pain threshold.

Mecca is that pain threshold. They love death, death means nothing. But they fear losing the black moon-god rock.

[broadsword]

Of course they relish the thought of death... it's the only way they can find women who won't laugh at them during sex.

[Robert_Paulson2]

War gaming this...
if mecca were fried.
What would mohammet do?
Repent?
Musharaff launch on who?
What could they do... you know, the UMMAH?
Would our men in Iraq be overrun?
Would they all attack Israel?

I don't think so.
I don't see the downside to Russia nuking Mecca.
Then again, I don't see the downside to just about anybody nuking mecca.

but hey, I always LOVED your crater lake o' glass muzzies solution.

[Iris7]

Hold your ground on this, Trav. You propose the nucleus of a winning strategy.

Nukes won't happen this time, but will. Mecca won't be the only place, either.

[jaykay]

Mecca is that pain threshold. They love death, death means nothing. But they fear losing the black moon-god rock.

Let's see just how much they love death and how much love they can handle. Take 10,000 Chechens, put them in a concentration camp and then tell the terrorists "now we talk.' Talks don't go well, the 10,000 get machine gunned until they're meat paste. Then start over with 20,000. Lather, rinse, repeat, repeat, repeat. If all the hostages are killed, all remaining Chechens get transfered to the old Soviet gulags in Siberia.

[Joe Brower]

"Mecca is that pain threshold. They love death, death means nothing. But they fear losing the black moon-god rock."

I'm with you 100% on this, Trav. These orcs survive solely at our discretion, and I for one have completely had it with their crap. God help me for saying it, but it's time to glass Mecca and get the ball rolling for real. The longer we wait, the more overall cost and suffering we will incur in our mission to preserve civilization against these subhumans.