Not only does the safety for our men and women serving in Iraq depend on gathering any relevant and timely intelligence from Saddam's former footsoldiers, but homeland security on U.S. shores stands to benefit from it. Perhaps avoiding another catastrophe.
Stripping a dozen or so men naked and forcing them to pile up into a pyramid, and having some dogs bark at them, because they refuse to comply with interrogations, assaulted a soldier, and because it's "humilating" doesn't deserve an apology. Boo hoo.
Saddam stacking a bunch of fresh corposes in the same fashion is a different story. As would be electrical shock. Or mutilation. Or beheading. Or death by hanging. Or chemical testing. Or suffering a slow painful death. Saddam's legacy.
How quickly the world forgets.
I think all the dems like kerry, kennedy. shrillary, pelosi, meeks, fenstien, dashole, gephardt, waxman, durbin, (F)at moore, cleland, waters, lautenburg, lantos, murray, murphy, nelson, hastings, and the rest of the commies should be placed in an AQ prison and see what type scandal evolves. I would imagine all our prayers would be answered. It took a brain dead village to raise a democrat. I would be willing to bet, some dem operatives planned the Abu Ghraib incident. Those prisoners were not tortured, hazed yes, but so what it's wartime.
Oh, horse hockey! There is a rather infamous naked female pyramid out in cyberspace and that "lady" soldier was aiming for fame and fortune by creating a male equivalent. Her fellow male soldiers were more than willing to go along. This was the M-TV / WWW generation run amuck.
And .. forcing prisoners to strip is a "standard" intimidation technique used in most prisons or lock-ups. But .. it's just that INTIMIDATION, it's not torture. I spent hours and hours sending that information to the media.
I then reminded the media there was plenty of proof of REAL torture in the VIDEOS SADDAM PRODUCED. I explained to them what I HAD SEEN .. a man's hand being cut off .. blood spurting .. the man screaming in horror when he looked down and realized his hand was gone .. I saw another man strapped to a couple of 2x4's while a huge sledge hammer broke his arm in several places causing the man to crumble and writhe in pain .. I saw another man tied to a pole and beaten to the point that you could see the blood running under his skin .. THAT'S TORTURE .. not being stripped naked and having ladies panties put on your head. Has anybody noticed that the media stopped using the word "torture" and switched to "abuse".
Now .. did some of the soldiers get a little carried away .. yes. Was that Rumsfeld's or Bush's explicit order .. NOOOOOO!! And now the committee looking into the prison stuff says it was commanders in the field [and my vote goes to the FEMALE Army Reserve Commander who knew what was going on and looked the other way] - not upper level at the Pentagon and the WH.
Rush has said recently that the democrats are planning to use this supposed "scandal" in order to try to impeach Bush - WHEN HE WINS THE ELECTION .. and no matter how big he wins. I don't know about you .. but I don't think the nation will stand still for it .. I think a lot of us (I know I'm one) are ABOUT DONE WITH THE STINKING DEMOCRATS.
Recently, I've been thinking about the Nixon impeachment charges and I have wondered what the dates are of the break-in (which Nixon covered up), and if the democrats knew that information and waited ON PURPOSE until Nixon was re-elected before they brought the charges ..?? If that timeline is correct, then Rush may be right about the plot to try to impeach Bush. The only monkey-wrench in the dems plan was the fact the prison info WAS LEAKED AHEAD OF TIME. I believe the prison stuff was the "October surprise" Hillary was crowing about earlier in the year.
At a Pentagon briefing in January (which I distinctly remember seeing), it was stated that charges had been brought concerning mistreatment of prisoners, and it was in full investigation.
I guess we'll see, won't we ..??
He said a notorious incident in which he was involved where naked Iraqi prisoners were photographed piled up into a pyramid occurred after a female U.S. soldier was struck in the face with a stone by a prisoner.I don't think you're cruel and heartless. But then, I think the Iraqi armed forces got off light. We should have turned all of them over to the Shiite-heads, and let Iraq degenerate into civil war. Help Kurdistan achieve independence, create an enclave for ethnic Assyrians (mostly Christian I think), then broker a peace deal in which Iraq is partitioned by faith and ethnic group.
My mistake, the terrorists are bad so, ergo, we get to cast aside anything that makes us better at a whim.
I understand you...Comrade.
The locals thought the glow sticks were radioactive because they looked exactly like the nuclear material Homer Simpson discards in the Simpsons intro. The MPs placed the sticks near the genitals and anus and then told the prisoners that they were going to get cancer and their testicles would require amputation unless the iodine antidote was administered. Faced with becoming mustache-less eunochs they talked and saved more than a few US lives.
No, I don't think you're cruel or heartless.
And it's a scandal only because the media have made it so.
I am of the opinion they shouldn't have prisons over there to begin with. Just shoot them on site. I don't see there is any reason to coddle them at all. If they don't have enough sense to stay at home and out of the way. So be it!
I know. I know. We have to get information from them. But it still sounds like as good idea to me!
But I am tired of the p c sensitivity we have as a Nation.
And lawyers in the battlefield............give me a break!!! I hate this!
It is war! And war is terrible!
But I had rather THEY be killed than our nation's finest young soldiers!
God Bless them all!!!