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1 posted on 08/26/2004 12:18:03 PM PDT by lurker214
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To: lurker214

Maybe they were shooting at each other.


2 posted on 08/26/2004 12:18:53 PM PDT by BonnieJ
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To: lurker214
maybe the sounds were coming from the back of his shorts.
3 posted on 08/26/2004 12:21:19 PM PDT by bikerman
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To: lurker214

> Robert E. Lambert doesn’t plan to vote for John Kerry.

He's in a position to know the truth about Kerry.

> "He and another officer now say we weren’t under fire
> at that time," Lambert said Wednesday afternoon.
> "Well, I sure was under the impression we were."

He's also listed as a witness on the Thurlow citation,
and until this report surfaced, he'd been declining
comment. If the report is false, Lambert's in trouble.

> "Everybody was shooting back," ...

But the article doesn't describe any of the supposed
enemy fire, and why it apparently hit nothing.


6 posted on 08/26/2004 12:27:06 PM PDT by Boundless
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Let's see despite being out there a number of hours recovering the boat that hit the mine, I believe the following are true:

1. No Americans wounded by bullets?

2. No Swift Boats with bullet holes in them?

I think that is pretty good evidence that they were not facing much enemy fire if any. And I am very sure they did not face enemy fire while blowing up the rice.


7 posted on 08/26/2004 12:28:25 PM PDT by JLS
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To: cyncooper; Peach; Howlin

Comments? The article isn't clearly written, so its hard to understand if he's implying they were under fire when Rassman's boat hit the mine, or if it started afterwards, or just what he's saying.


8 posted on 08/26/2004 12:29:45 PM PDT by HenryLeeII (sultan88, R.I.P.)
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What a scathing retort...

""Well, I sure was under the impression we were."

""Anytime you are blown out of the water like that, they always follow that up with small arms fire," he said."

NONE of his statements say - WE WERE BEING FIRED UPON


10 posted on 08/26/2004 12:34:23 PM PDT by RS (Just because the SwiftVets are out to get him dosen't mean he's not guilty)
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To: lurker214

But...but...but...he wasn't on Kerry's boat!


11 posted on 08/26/2004 12:38:37 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: lurker214

Sounds sort of like some of them thought they were being shot at because they were all shooting wildly. Doesn't sound like the Navy's finest moment. They are probably lucky they didn't shoot each other in the confusion.


12 posted on 08/26/2004 12:39:18 PM PDT by monday
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To: lurker214

The damage on the boats cited by Kerry on 13 March was that of the prior day. This guy must also be mistaken regarding the shooting. You can read clearly in the book 'Unfit For Command'!


13 posted on 08/26/2004 12:40:44 PM PDT by Inge C
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bump to support SWIFTVETS and GEORGE W. BUSH... http://www.swiftvets.com/


14 posted on 08/26/2004 12:42:28 PM PDT by freddiedavis
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Once that underwater mine went off, the boats had to consider the possibility of ambush and my understanding is should have instinctively begun firing at the shoreline area. Yes, I'm certain there was shooting that day, the question is, in what direction was the shooting?

Once all the boats open up, it's going to take sometime to assess the situation and issue a cease fire order. Remember, Kerry paniced, gunned the engines, struck an underwater obstacle (probably the fishing weir) and covered his butt by saying damage to his boat was due to a near miss from a mine.

As Kerry's boat was fleeing the scene leaving the other boats in the rear, his gunners were probably shooting as well but more to the rear. Bullets from Kerrys boat were likely impacting the water all around Rassman.

From the situation map provided by the Washington Post, Kerry was on the far side of the river. Fire from the other boats would be impacting the water on his side of the river and fire from his boat would be impacting the water on the side of the river near the other boats Kerry separated from.

So, there was fire that day, it's just likely it was all friendly.

15 posted on 08/26/2004 12:44:55 PM PDT by fso301
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The swift boats had dropped off a load of Chinese mercenaries and American Special Forces. The mission of the ground forces was to push the enemy out of the jungle and onto the beach, where the swift boat crews were ready to pounce with their .50-caliber machine guns and other weapons...Someone posted an after action on this a few days ago - had a section on enemy action: "PCF3 hit by mine and small arms fire" - but it's very likely the "small arms fire" refers to the first part of the operation: "push the enemy out of the jungle" - there must have been some exchange of fire at that point - the idea of the Swift Boats being under fire during the rescue operation, which came later, may be a contamination coming from this brief report......
16 posted on 08/26/2004 12:54:24 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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Van O'Dell has repeatedly stated that the Swifties themselves were firing for minutes while they tried to figure out if the enemy were around. Then they stoped. Maybe this guy is remembering friendly fire?

O'Dell also points out that according to Kerry both sides of the river were under enemy fire for miles. No boat or Vet reported bullet injuries. It is virtually impossible under the conditions Kerry cited.


17 posted on 08/26/2004 12:58:09 PM PDT by Republican Red (Is that a classified document in your pants Sandy or are you just glad to see me?)
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To: lurker214; Squantos; river rat; tet68; CIBvet; Viet-Boat-Rider

You have 4 or 5 boatsover a hundred or so yards of river, blasting away with a dozen or so machine guns, tracers flying all over and richocheting and flying up in the air, echos adding to the din....


Hell yes, most folks would believe they were under fire, absolutely.


18 posted on 08/26/2004 1:03:08 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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They were shooting at all the OTHER Vietnam Vets but not those on the Swift Boats?


23 posted on 08/26/2004 1:34:22 PM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody got a peanut.....)
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To: lurker214

I was wondering where Lambert was -- guess he got his phone call from Kerry.


24 posted on 08/26/2004 1:50:14 PM PDT by RottiBiz
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"Well, I sure was under the impression we were."

One generally doesn't get the "impression" that one is being shot at.

Of course, to dreamy liberals gunfire might appear as rainbows or fluffy clouds. You never know.

29 posted on 08/26/2004 9:09:44 PM PDT by Reactionary
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