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1 posted on 08/24/2004 8:07:05 AM PDT by Callahan
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"KERRY: "When we dedicated swift boat one in '92, I said to all the swift guys that I wasn't talking about the swifties, I was talking about all the rest of the veterans."

Oh, I guess that's suppose to make it all okay that he was only attacking ALL other veterans. What a guy. (What an a**h*le).

332 posted on 08/24/2004 12:46:08 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left." (Eccl. 10:2))
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GO SWIFTIES! Kerry didn't know whom he tangeld with!

I just mailed them a contribution.

http://www.swiftvets.com


It was also an interesting tidbit, that Kerry sleepwalks:

"Kerry and Brant slept in the same quarters, and Brant used to put Kerry back to be at night when Kerry was sleepwalking. "

Hmmm.



334 posted on 08/24/2004 12:49:43 PM PDT by QQQQQ
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They do indeed.

I don't know how to format this here and still retain the original paragraph breaks. FR needs and auto-formatter! I'm hoping someone will read my whole post and bold or enlarge the important parts. KERRY IS A LIAR!



As told by Cockburn and St. Clair, in "an entry from his diary about a subsequent excursion, written on December 11, 1968, nine days after the incident that got Kerry his medal," Kerry asserted that his crew remained cocky and feeling invincible "because we hadn't been shot at yet, and Americans at war who haven't been shot at yet are allowed to be cocky." Brinkley cites this same entry, but avoids assigning it a date. That might be too obvious, apparently.

Regardless, this plainly reads as an admission that two weeks after a purported firefight, Kerry in fact remained an American at war who had yet to face combat. Given that Kerry's boatmates that night also question the presence of hostile fire, this should settle things. Voters can be spared surrogates lacking first-hand knowledge who are sent to shout down eyewitness testimony.
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPrint.asp?Page=%5CCommentary%5Carchive%5C200408%5CCOM20040820b.html

Cockburn and St. Clair are Leftists who have no time for Kerry's Lies. Good article.


Hail, the Conquering War Criminal Comes!
What Kerry Really Did in Vietnam
By ALEXANDER COCKBURN
and JEFFREY ST. CLAIR
July 29, 2004

(snip)

On December 2, Kerry went on his first patrol up one of the canals. It was near midnight when the crew caught sight of a sampan. Rules of engagement required no challenge, no effort to see who was on board the sampan. Kerry sent up a flare, signal for his crew to start blazing away with the boat's two machineguns and M16 rifles. Kerry described the fishermen "running away like gazelles".

Kerry sustained a very minor wound to his arm, probably caused by debris from his own boat's salvoes. The scratch earned him his first Purple Heart, a medal awarded for those wounded in combat. Actually there's no evidence that anyone had fired back, or that Kerry had been in combat, as becomes obvious when we read an entry from his diary about a subsequent excursion, written on December 11, 1968, nine days after the incident that got Kerry his medal. "A cocky air of invincibility accompanied us up the Long Tau shipping channel, because we hadn't been shot at yet, and Americans at war who haven't been shot at are allowed to be cocky."
He got two more Purple Hearts, both for relatively minor wounds. Indeed Kerry never missed a day of duty for any of the medal-earning wounds.

(snip)

It's very striking how we never find, in any of Kerry's diaries or letters, the slightest expression of contrition or remorse--and Brinkley would surely have cited them had Kerry ever written such words. Nor did Kerry, in his later career as a self-promoting star of the antiwar movement, ever go beyond generalized verbiage about accidents of war, even as many vets were baring their souls about the horrors they had perpetrated.

(snip)

How He Won His Silver And Bronze Stars

The incident that won US Navy lieutenant John Kerry his Silver Star, thus lofting him to the useful status of "war hero", occurred on February 28, 1969. His Swift boat was ferrying US "explosives experts" and some South Vietnamese soldiers up the Dong Cung river. After dropping them off, Kerry's boat came under small arms fire. Kerry turned the boat toward the source of the shots, beached the boat and opened up at the forest with the boat's .50 and .60 caliber machine guns.

By beaching the boat Kerry was disobeying standard orders forbidding this on the grounds that it made the craft and its crew a sitting duck. Kerry's motive? As crew member Michael "Duke" Medeiros explained it to Kerry's biographer, Douglas Brinkley, it was a matter of verifying kills. "We never knew whether we killed any VC or not. When fired upon, he [Kerry] wanted to beach the boat and go get the enemy."

The boat's machine-guns had in fact killed a Vietnamese, described as "a VC guerilla", and they took evidence [undescribed] from the body.

The boat continued downstream and was fired on once more, by a rocket-propelled grenade launcher. Here's where accounts of the event diverge markedly, depending on the interests of the various narrators. The citation for Kerry's Silver Star describes the event this way: "With utter disregard for his own safety and the enemy rockets, he again ordered a charge on the enemy, beached his boat only ten feet from the VC rocket position, and personally led a landing party ashore in pursuit of the enemy. Upon sweeping the area an immediate search uncovered an enemy rest and supply area which was destroyed. The extraordinary daring and personal courage of Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY in attacking the n numerically superior force in the face of intense fire were responsible for the highly successful mission."

This citation, issued by Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, was based on the incident report, written by John Kerry. Missing from the Zumwalt version was a dramatic confrontation described by Kerry 27 years later in 1996, in the heat of a nasty relection fight against Republican William Weld, when Kerry was seeking a third senate term. Kerry imparted to Jonathan Carroll, writing for the New Yorker, a story going as follows: he had faced down a Viet Cong standing a few feet from him with a B-40 rocket launcher; "It was either going to be him or it was going to be us", Kerry told Carroll. "It was that simple. I don't know why it wasn't us--I mean, to this day. He had a rocket pointed right at our boat. He stood up out of that hole, and none of us saw him until he was standing in front of us, aiming a rocket right at us, and, for whatever reason, he didn't pull the trigger--he turned and ran. He was shocked to see our boat right in front him. If he'd pulled the trigger, we'd all be dead. I just won't talk about all of it. I don't and I can't. The things that probably really turn me I've never told anybody. Nobody would understand."

(He may not have wanted to talk but he certainly liked to screen. The first time Kerry took Hollywood star Dana Delany to his home in the Eighties she says his big move was showing her video clips taken of him in the Navy when he was in Vietnam. She never went out with him again. (As he prepared to make his grand entry to the Democratic convention in Boston, stories circulqatyed that Kerry had reenacted his skirmishes, filming them with an 8mm camera for later political use.)

(snip)

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07292004.html


337 posted on 08/24/2004 12:52:27 PM PDT by Jordan Vandenberg
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ANOTHER KERRY LIE: According to Drudge, Kerry says...


KERRY: "When we dedicated swift boat one in '92, I said to all the swift guys that I wasn't talking about the swifties, I was talking about all the rest of the veterans."

BUT IN HIS CONGRESSIONAL TESTIMONY, the only 'veterans' Kerry talks about really are those who he is 'speaking ob behalf of.' his ENTIRE testimony is in the context of what those other veterans said.

Here is the transcript:

"I am not here as John Kerry. I am here as one member of the group of 1,000 which is a small representation of a very much larger group of veterans in this country, and were it possible for all of them to sit at this table they would be here and have the same kind of testimony....

I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command....

They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.


346 posted on 08/24/2004 2:23:58 PM PDT by lowercoloradoriver
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Oh, this is good.

Sure 'Let's just meet and have a beer'; my photographer will come along. . .

364 posted on 08/24/2004 3:26:31 PM PDT by cricket (Don't Lose Your Head. . .Vote Republican)
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"When we dedicated swift boat one in '92, I said to all the swift guys that I wasn't talking about the swifties, I was talking about all the rest of the veterans."

Kerry is Bush's best campaign ad; too bad they don't use more of him.

So OKAY; the REST of you Veterans; did you hear this; Kerry did not slime HIS friends. . .it was the 'rest of you' who were the 'bad guys'. . .

OMG; Kerry is simply skerry. . .and getting more so; everyday. . .

365 posted on 08/24/2004 3:31:08 PM PDT by cricket (Don't Lose Your Head. . .Vote Republican)
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"KERRY: "When we dedicated swift boat one in '92, I said to all the swift guys that I wasn't talking about the swifties,I was talking about all the rest of the veterans."

OMG, tell me this is really true! BWAHAHAHAHA

"Kerry reached out to Robert "Friar Tuck" Brant Cdr., USN (RET)"

Is it true that Kerry's handle was "The Boston Strangler"?

I knew it...Hillary has a doll with Kerry's image on it!

372 posted on 08/24/2004 4:03:34 PM PDT by hope (John Kerry is using the Mark Hacking recipe for disaster)
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BRANT: "You should know what you said when you came back, the impact it had on the young sailors and how it was disrespectful of our guys that were killed over there.

Correction - the impact on POW's, GI's, Marines, and Airmen - the Kerry infamous testimony affected all of them and their families as well.

This also affected the military and their families:

HE SAID CHECK THE RECORD
Sen. John Kerry, Democrat from Massachusetts says he is the strongest Presidential Candidate on National Defense! He said Check the Record..

We Did!!
and
Here is what we learned:

He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle
He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank
He voted to kill every Aircraft carrier laid down from 1988
He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system
He voted to Kill the F-15 strike eagle
He voted to Kill the Block 60 F-16
He voted to Kill the P-3 Orion upgrade
He voted to Kill the B-1
He voted to Kill the B-2
He voted to Kill the Patriot anti Missile system
He voted to Kill the FA-18
He voted to Kill the B-2
He voted to Kill the F117
He voted to kill every military appropriation for the development and deployment of every weapons systems since 1988, including a bill for battle armor for our troops.

It is most likely, with Sen. John Kerry as President and Commander in Chief of our Armed Services, that they will cease to function making it impossible for our country to protect itself John Kerry voted to kill all anti-terrorism activities of each and every agency of the U.S. Government.

He voted to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%.
He voted to cut the funding for the CIA by 80%.
He voted to cut the funding for the NSA by 80%.
THEN, and this is abhorrent to almost every American Voter be you Democrat, Republican or Independent, he voted to increase OUR funding for U.N operations by 800% !!

Ask yourself Is THIS the person you want as President of these United States providing for the Common Defense of the Nation and be the Leader of the Free World ?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Voting history can be accessed through Senate voting records. The above is an accurate summary.

380 posted on 08/24/2004 4:51:59 PM PDT by yoe (When is a wound not a wound? When you are wound up in self-serving, self-aggrandizing efforts.....)
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"When we dedicated swift boat one in '92, I said to all the swift guys that I wasn't talking about the swifties, I was talking about all the rest of the veterans."


401 posted on 08/24/2004 6:17:15 PM PDT by atomicpossum (If there are two Americas, John Edwards isn't qualified to lead either of them.©)
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Developing...

Like what - more phone calls? Put a fork in him, he's toast...

403 posted on 08/24/2004 7:03:01 PM PDT by Libloather (What did Bergler stow - and when did he stow it?)
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Brant declined the invite, explaining that Kerry was obviously not prepared to correct the record on exactly what happened during Vietnam and what happened when Kerry came back.

LOL! That's great.

404 posted on 08/24/2004 8:11:41 PM PDT by b4its2late (John John Kerry Edwards change positions more often than a Nevada prostitute!!!)
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A "got to show this to the kinfolk" BUMP


405 posted on 08/24/2004 9:30:19 PM PDT by philman_36
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Here we go again. IT'S NOT A SIREN, IT'S A LIGHT. LOL


414 posted on 08/25/2004 3:42:22 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org SUPPORT JAN GOVAN www.jangovan.com)
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