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Posted on 08/17/2004 4:49:53 PM PDT by demlosers
Ten years after the U.S. Air Force closed its books on the claim that a UFO crashed in Roswell, N.M., in 1947, a top Democratic Party figure wants to reopen the investigation into the cosmic legend.
Despite denials by federal officials, many UFO buffs cherish the notion that in early summer of 1947, a flying saucer crashed in rural Roswell, scattering alien bodies and saucer debris across the terrain.
Now Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico, who chaired the recent Democratic convention in Boston, says in his foreword to a new book that "the mystery surrounding this crash has never been adequately explained -- not by independent investigators, and not by the U.S. government. ... There are as many theories as there are official explanations.
"Clearly, it would help everyone if the U.S. government disclosed everything it knows," says Richardson, who served as Energy secretary under President Bill Clinton. "The American people can handle the truth -- no matter how bizarre or mundane. ... With full disclosure and our best scientific investigation, we should be able to find out what happened on that fateful day in July 1947."
(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...
I'm not persuaded we made alien contact in 1947--I'm not convinced the evidence from Roswell is sufficient to conclude that. However, the government was certainly interested in widespread reports of unidentified aircraft at that time--not just at Roswell but all over the country and even abroad--and these reports were actually viewed in the context of the Cold War by the military and the intelligence agencies. There was concern that the Soviets might have gotten an edge in extrapolations from German wartime aircraft/rocket advances (there had also been UFOs of various types spotted during the war, notably the foo fighters), which was particularly alarming because there was a high concentration of UFO sightings around US nuclear research facilities, plus the Japanese were known to have attempted to use balloon bombs as bioweapons during the war (fortunately they didn't work). There was also concern over the Soviets exploiting UFO panic for propaganda purposes, as some of the leaders of the citizens' UFO groups had Communist associations (as some still do IMO--I'm quite suspicious of the the Disclosure Project because it seems to have an anti-SDI agenda and to be oriented towards getting into files on classified US/UK military research). There is some interesting discussion of the FBI's investigation of early UFO sightings in:
Bruce Maccabee, UFO/FBI Connection
As a sort of "barf alert" note, I'll that Maccabee's political perspective seems to be a bit different than mine and I'm interpreting some of the documents he discusses differently than he does. Nonetheless, the documents he discusses are quite interesting, particularly if you're familiar with some of the military and scientific figures he mentions. Some of the scientists assigned to investigate UFOs were also prominent in atomic research, and a few of them also come up in discussions of Soviet espionage at that time.
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There was a report issued a few years ago claiming that, but it doesn't really fit the initial descriptions of the crash as published in the papers back then, IMO. Interestingly, though, there had been a prior media blackout on balloon bombs during the war:
"I think that the theory generally is that the occupants of the craft did not survive the crash."
Or it could have been an unmanned, remote-controlled craft, which was another scenario considered by early researchers of some of the sightings elsewhere. As someone mentions elsewhere on the thread, the earliest reports did not mention any alien corpses, just the crashed object.
"It would have been much better to simply point out that none of the original Roswell witnesses ever claimed to have seen bodies. The "bodies" stories didn't crop up until the 70s and had nothing to do with the original report."
Yes, the bodies were a later addition to the initial report.
Read your post after I posted my #203, which you might find interesting.
"Some people claim the Nazi's had a UFO and were busy trying to reverse engineer it."
I've not seen evidence that they had a UFO, but I am inclined to think their aircraft/rocket research had something to do with wartime and postwar UFO sightings--maybe not all sightings, but some.
What did you see?
"I think that extraterrestrial interstellar technology exists"
That is only one possible explanation of what your husband and son observed. It could have been a poorly understood natural phenomenon, a test vehicle of human origin, or instrumentalities of intelligence from another dimension of existence here on Earth. In other words, if there are so-called aliens, it does not automatically follow that they must be extraterrestrial and/or interstellar in origin.
There is no doubt in my mind that we are still at a primitive state in our understanding of physical reality. There are a lot of poorly understood natural phenomena, like homeopathic medicine, applied kinesiology ( I've experienced it working, and am still not sure I believe what I experienced ), and cold fusion. A good web site to explore other strange phenomena is www.sheldrake.org.
Understandable perspective.
I guess at this point--and, for several years, really, I've accepted as fact that there were "ET" bodies and probaly one survivor at Roswell.
I've read the pros and cons for decades but that's how I've come down. And, given the increasing death bed testimonies, I've only strengthened that conviction.
I think Greer is delluded that ET's are benign and harmless. I don't trust the puppet masters either by a longer shot. I see it all as being used of satan to usher in the Biblically predicted world government. Nothing else makes sense. But what that means about what races; what percentages of the whole ET panorama will end up on the side of evil--should be interesting. It seems to me at present that a lot of them will be--I expect more than 90% of them will be on the side of evil.
I think we already have more SDI type stuff already deployed but under the firm grip of the puppet masters than a lot of people could conceive of existing.
I ran across one supposed senior military type recently retired or some such who asserted rather startlingly that we were 50 years ahead of everyone else in arial craft and actually, that in terms of technology--if it could be imagined, we could do it. An incredible statement when one considers SG-1.
Thanks. Interesting link, docs and photos
In terms of UFO's I consider ALL the balloon stuff 110% bogus.
"And, given the increasing death bed testimonies, I've only strengthened that conviction."
Whose testimony do you find convincing here? The testimony I've seen has convinced me of a crashed object but not corpses. I haven't read everything that's been written on it yet.
I think it's bogus for Roswell, but it might explain the 1942 stuff I mention, and possibly some other sightings.
Great thread. Has anyone read The Day After Roswell by Col. Philip Corso? The book deals quite specifically with reverse engineering.
Several on this thread have read it, a very good book.
I was saddened to see Corso pass on. (I believe he had more information that was to come out, would have been interesting.)
I stumbled across it in a discount bin a few years ago. Brings to mind the parable about the blind squirrel and the nut......
Yes I think it's a much more solid book than I thought at first.
And, I've read of others who say that he really laid a lot of accurate stuff out in it.
We shall see.
I don't begin to keep all the names straight. And over the years, some of it all mushes together.
But there are several dozen first hand reports and reports of relatives of first hand observers that are quite convincing to me, re Roswell. Some have just surfaced in the last year or two.
And supposedly a new one in the news this week--an elderly lady about to die who saw a craft buzz around her house the night before the Roswell crash. I didn't see that news item, myself.
Goodness--had a long day. Heading to bed early, I think.
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