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Flying saucers in New Mexico? Governor rekindles Roswell
sfgate ^ | Monday, August 16, 2004 | Keay Davidson

Posted on 08/17/2004 4:49:53 PM PDT by demlosers

Ten years after the U.S. Air Force closed its books on the claim that a UFO crashed in Roswell, N.M., in 1947, a top Democratic Party figure wants to reopen the investigation into the cosmic legend.

Despite denials by federal officials, many UFO buffs cherish the notion that in early summer of 1947, a flying saucer crashed in rural Roswell, scattering alien bodies and saucer debris across the terrain.

Now Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico, who chaired the recent Democratic convention in Boston, says in his foreword to a new book that "the mystery surrounding this crash has never been adequately explained -- not by independent investigators, and not by the U.S. government. ... There are as many theories as there are official explanations.

"Clearly, it would help everyone if the U.S. government disclosed everything it knows," says Richardson, who served as Energy secretary under President Bill Clinton. "The American people can handle the truth -- no matter how bizarre or mundane. ... With full disclosure and our best scientific investigation, we should be able to find out what happened on that fateful day in July 1947."

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: 1947; airforce; alienautopsy; aliens; autopsy; balloon; billrichardson; bizarre; blackhelicopters; conspiracy; coverup; crash; excuses; extraterrestrial; flyingdisk; flyingsaucer; incident; iwanttobelieve; newmexico; newworldorder; reynoldswrap; richardson; roswell; roswellcrash; roswellincident; sighting; spacealien; thetruthisoutthere; tinfoilhat; ufo; ufocrash; ufosighting; unexplained; weather; xfile; xfiles
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To: Finny
...it basically boils down to this: he struggled because he'd seen something supposedly physically impossible and by definition unbelievable ... yet he knew what he saw. They saw what they saw...

My sweetie (but not my son) struggles the same way. He knows what he saw (he even called me at work at the time to tell me about it, which he has never done before or since), but he can't make his brain believe it. He's willing to describe it, though.
121 posted on 08/17/2004 10:28:52 PM PDT by small_l_libertarian
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To: small_l_libertarian

Bless you and all, but I wouldn't rationally believe a word you say unless I was looking over the shoulders of the eyewitnesses themselves!

I only know what I've seen, and I sparingly rule despite that, that it is possible that other people have seen things.

What I saw is what I saw, and under pain of whatever, that's what I saw, and can comment not on anything else with any surety. I saw a cylinder. Period.


122 posted on 08/17/2004 10:34:06 PM PDT by Solamente
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To: demlosers
They will release the secret information to you Governor Richardson the same day John Kerry releases his secret medical records from Vietnam.
123 posted on 08/17/2004 10:36:29 PM PDT by jerry639
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To: Solamente
...I wouldn't rationally believe a word you say unless I was looking over the shoulders of the eyewitnesses themselves!...

Ha! Probably a very rational position. But, for what it's worth, I believe you.
124 posted on 08/17/2004 10:37:00 PM PDT by small_l_libertarian
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To: Solamente
Even with all my background and knowlege of orbital mechanics and spacecraft, I saw something I cannot explain no matter how hard I try. OTOH, I DO NOT call it alien by any means. To this day I am puzzled by what I saw.
126 posted on 08/18/2004 12:00:44 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: fatima

Knock it off.


127 posted on 08/18/2004 12:17:10 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Quix
But the fact has been proven that those dummies were not at all used until about 5 years later!

Whose fact?

128 posted on 08/18/2004 4:28:12 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: AppyPappy; All

Atually, for a change, the media did a good job.

It was all over the media shortly after the story was put out by the government.

It's in all the decent research on the government's story.

I'd have thought you'd be aware of such a basic, straightforward fact about the topic which you made such a strong statement on.

The government made itself look very silly for anyone looking deeper than the plastic wrap on that story.


129 posted on 08/18/2004 5:39:34 AM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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To: Quix
I'd have thought you'd be aware of such a basic, straightforward fact about the topic which you made such a strong statement on.

I used to be heavily into this UFO stuff. What I found is that everyone knew these "facts" like the dummies but no one could ever point to the original data. The links all seemed to point back to the same people making the statements. That's when I started thinking it was bunk.

130 posted on 08/18/2004 5:51:28 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

There has been some of that phenomenon, true.

That's not the case on the dummies in the Mogul proj. I'll see if I can track down a source or three later.

Actually, I think that phenomenon was not as widespread as you seemed to experience it as. I saw it mostly in say some sequences regarding Roswell etc. But in the broad topic area, I think there are plenty of direct sources who had first hand experiences in their jobs or otherwise.

Stephen Greer's DISCOVERY PROJECT certainly has plenty of the latter.


131 posted on 08/18/2004 6:25:50 AM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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To: RadioAstronomer
No harm is describing unexplained things you see. Perhaps they can be explained later. I do, however, have reservations about objects seen at night that are described with precise altitudes and dimensions. (post#14)

I would be much happer with a description that described the angle of view and duration of the observation. The moon, for example, appears subjectively to cover a significant portion of the sky, but I am always shocked to hear what the actual coverage is.

132 posted on 08/18/2004 7:34:23 AM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: COEXERJ145
Running the state of New Mexico must be an easy job. Seems like Richardson has a lot of free time on his hands.

LOL.....As a New Mexican I have decided that no one runs this place, it runs you

133 posted on 08/18/2004 7:37:47 AM PDT by woofie ( It's not an optical illusion. It just looks like one.)
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134 posted on 08/18/2004 7:40:58 AM PDT by evets (God bless president George W. Bush)
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To: Armedanddangerous


Illegals coming here to vote.
135 posted on 08/18/2004 7:45:47 AM PDT by wjcsux (Don't be a girly man! Vote Republican!)
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To: Armedanddangerous


Illegals coming here to vote.
136 posted on 08/18/2004 7:46:16 AM PDT by wjcsux (Don't be a girly man! Vote Republican!)
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To: woofie

It is certainly a varied, complex and interesting set of social, governmental, military and natural forces.


137 posted on 08/18/2004 8:23:22 AM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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To: js1138

I agree completely. :-)


138 posted on 08/18/2004 8:40:19 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer

To this day, I don't know who or what was piloting the cylinder.

To anyone who thinks we are the only life amongst kazillions of stars, planets, and galaxies, maybe it was humanity from the future, who knows?


139 posted on 08/18/2004 8:40:22 AM PDT by Solamente
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To: churchillbuff

They don't keep that mum really, at least in certain settings... like talking to an old friend or relative over many beers. But you aren't going to have many get in front of cameras saying much about the topic. These are agressive, ambitious and loyal people. They aren't gong to rock the boat for many reasons.


140 posted on 08/18/2004 8:47:51 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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