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1. Of course these men weren't on Kerry's boat, they were contemporaries, peers, senior officers and fellow swiftboat captains who were commanding their own boats and men alongside Kerry during the time of the events in question.

2. Collectively these men have 375 years of experience in Vietnam and on their swift boats, compared to the 16 total months of Kerry and his nine enlistees.

3. These men were in boats yards away from Kerry and were witnesses to what happened. They were well positioned to observe the events in question.

4. Many of the Swift Boat Vets are decorated war heroes themselves and not only have earned the right but have a duty to expose thos who they believe received honors fraudulently.

5. The Swift Boat Vets who signed the petition collectively earned (Insert total of medals and honors) Saying these men do not have the right to speak out or claiming they are lying is an abomination and insult to all soldiers who served their country honorably during the VietNam war.

6. Saying the Swifties have no right to give witness to these events because they were not in the same boat as Kerry is like saying Ron Goldman (if he survived) has no right to testify against OJ because he wasn't wearing Bruno Magli shoes.

1 posted on 08/10/2004 10:02:14 AM PDT by Bob J
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"Well, [Mr./Ms. left-leaning talking head] did you really expect a Democratic Party donor to help expose John Kerry?"

"If John Kerry wants to prove that we are not telling the truth, there's one sure way to do it -- he ought to release all of his military records, and let the raw documents show who is being truthful and who is not."

"Isn't it interesting that the types of questions we are being asked weren't asked about an obviously false piece of propaganda that goes by the name Fahrenheit 9/11?"

"If what we are saying about John Kerry's character , wouldn't you agree that it's important to know the truth before he is made Commander-in-Chief and The Leader of The Free World for the most important four years of our lifetimes?"

"The letters that the Kerry campaign and the DNC sent out threatening legal action against broadcasters that play our message are a preview of what to expect with a trial lawyer as Vice President."

"Presidential candidate John F. Kerry cannot have it both ways. If he wants to say that he is qualified to be Commander-in-Chief based on his activity as Lieutenant John G. Kerry, he should not be afraid of what his military records reveal."

106 posted on 08/10/2004 4:41:06 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (When it comes to newborns getting stabbed in the head, Kerry cares...about drowning hamsters.)
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1. Swift boats traveled in groups. (hold up picture)

2. We were spit on before when we served our country, Mr. Kerry contributed to that, so it's no suprise that some are out there trying to spit on us again.

107 posted on 08/10/2004 4:46:23 PM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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>> Of course these men weren't on Kerry's boat

One was. Steve Gardner was Kerry's machine gunner.


112 posted on 08/10/2004 5:58:37 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To deny the rights of his peers and his Commanding Officers to express their opinions is like saying Knute Rockne, who was after all, many yards away from the huddle and the actual play, well, Rockne has no right to substitute players or criticize their play.


115 posted on 08/10/2004 6:49:24 PM PDT by Chu Gary (USN Intel guy 1967 - 1970)
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For these liberal talking heads (Colmes, Esteridge, Davis, Couric, et al) who claim that the Swiftees against Kerry never served on his boat and cannot have legitimate complaints about his service, I have a question! Who was closer to John Kerry on the rivers of Viet Nam? The 254 Swiftees who say he is 'unfit for service', or was it you?

These clowns forget that the Swiftees were there and these libs were not. The libs arrived at their conclusion of the truth by reading the liberal press, a media that they are now a part of?????

118 posted on 08/10/2004 7:36:23 PM PDT by eeriegeno
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Are only vietnam vets who support democrats going to be allowed to be heard by the American people?


120 posted on 08/10/2004 9:21:25 PM PDT by JPJones
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1) Christmas in Cambodia, sounds like Apocalypse Now (1979)
...
2) the doctor (Letson) has got to clarify his story.
,,,my understanding is that the PH requires the wound
to be serious enough to require the attention of a
medical officer (if available), thats why Kerry sought
out (likely to the exclusion of others) Letson, even
though a hospitalman actually wrote in the sick call list.


121 posted on 08/10/2004 10:04:12 PM PDT by greasepaint
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Swifties versus John Kerry.... cleared up quickly by Kerry releasing his military records.

ba-da-boom.

Those records are key to showing who is lying and who is not.


122 posted on 08/10/2004 10:40:34 PM PDT by IPWGOP (I'm Linda Eddy, and I approved this message... 'tooning the truth!)
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"1. Of course these men weren't on Kerry's boat"

They are witnesses. sKerry also confirmed the claim about burning a village with his own televised statement, frequently quoted by Hannity. They also have the support of 250 swiftboat veterans. How many swifties support sKerry?

"2. Collectively these men have 375 years of experience in Vietnam and on their swift boats, compared to the 16 total months of Kerry and his nine enlistees."

That argument is convoluted. 250 is a huge number.

"3. These men were in boats yards away from Kerry and were witnesses to what happened. They were well positioned to observe the events in question."

Kerry confessed to burning a village. So, his buddies saw it, right? Or did he lie? He's damned either way. And so are his supporters. If he lied, he purposefully slimed the Vietnam veterans. If he said the truth, then his supporters support a war criminal. Checkmate.

4. Many of the Swift Boat Vets are decorated war heroes themselves and not only have earned the right but have a duty to expose those who they believe received honors fraudulently.

He's a confessed war criminal. They have discredited themselves by supporting him. sKerry can't have it both ways. At the same time, he made a 'joke' about assassinating a vice president, Dan Quail. Here's a man who confessed to burning a village and makes jokes about assassinating a vice president. Who would respect the supporters of such a man? Only a partizan rat.


"5. The Swift Boat Vets who signed the petition collectively earned (Insert total of medals and honors) Saying these men do not have the right to speak out or claiming they are lying is an abomination and insult to all soldiers who served their country honorably during the VietNam war."

Collective witnesses supporting confessed war criminals who claim that it was the norm to commit war crimes. Somethings out of whack here. Zero credibility. On the other side of the coin, the claim of seeing him burn down a village with his zippo lighter, 100% credibility. Why? He confessed to doing it.

"6. Saying the Swifties have no right to give witness to these events because they were not in the same boat as Kerry is like saying Ron Goldman (if he survived) has no right to testify against OJ because he wasn't wearing Bruno Magli shoes."

If OJ confessed on the witness stand that he killed them, no dream team could have saved him. Kerry confessed. My case I rest.


123 posted on 08/11/2004 2:04:53 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Why watch sitcoms? Just listen to Rush talk about left wing wackos and surf the FR.)
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124 posted on 08/11/2004 7:43:09 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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There is something that I have not seen discussed on talk radio or in the print media.

I presume Kerry still believes his testimony before Congress in 1971.

If so should he be bragging about his medals?

I mean they were earned by participating in an unjust and unlawful war on behalf of corrupt political and corporate interests, in which war crimes were the norm and the United States was the aggressor nation.

By any self respecting leftist's definition of "honor", Kerry should have thrown his medals away.

(Snicker) Did I say that?

By the same token, the Kerry supporters, when they accuse the Swift boat veterans of cheapening the value of all medals, should remember John Kerry himself.

Aren't we continuing the time honored tradition began by John Kerry himself when he testified before Senator Fulbright in 1971?

Didn't John Kerry himself accuse his contemporaries of atrocities, that were supposedly being covered up by the military?

Yet, now, Kerry is supposed to be PRAISED for his Vietnam service, without question, and no military records questioned as being inaccurate.





131 posted on 08/12/2004 10:44:10 AM PDT by lonelawyer (Check out Ward of the Court in AOL Journals)
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