Posted on 08/02/2004 2:08:52 PM PDT by Willie Green
But, in general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade.
~Karl Marx, "On the Question of Free Trade" - January 9, 1848
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Ultimately, Garcia says, the goals of the emerging legalization movement are not only to change current and future immigration policy but to "bring immigrants together with other low-income communities in a new progressive movement."
The AFL-CIO announcement gave a similar boost to immigrant organizing in Oregon. "We had been fighting for legalization for a long time," says Ramon Ramirez, president of PCUN (Pineros y Campesinos Unidos del Noroeste) in Woodburn, Oregon. "We saw the AFL announcement as a great opportunity. We saw that it was time to move immigrant rights to another level, to have the maturity to get a broad set of folks together."
Absolutely, more immigrants will change America. The latest Barna Research results posted on FR last night showed that Asians were the most anti-Christian in their attitudes, and surprisingly Hispanics were also against such things as the display of the Ten Commandments in greater numbers than most Americans. So of course, liberals would try to open the floodgates and let these immigrants in who will further their godless agenda.
FWIW, that description doesn't sound like the legal immigrants we know, let alone the naturalized ones who can legally vote.
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This sounds quite suspect. There are tons of asians and hispanics at my church.
You can look at this way --- most of these people were PRI party voters in Mexico for generations --- and those are kind of like die-hard democrats. If they were real believers in Conservative principles, Mexico wouldn't look like it does.
They have laws against the display of the Ten Commandments or anything religious in Mexico --- so it shouldn't be too surprising.
That's true, being a semi marxist state, and few on hear are as angry about Mexicans sneaking into my state, however the people are still a very faithful lot and this poll just sounded a bit odd. Anti Christian Asians? I have seen alot of antiChristian Jews, and anti Christian agnostics or athiests, but Asians? They never seemed to be hot & bothered about the displays of Christian faith. Like I said it just sounded odd.
Only some are faithful --- some are truly faithful for sure --- very many are like the Irish Catholics who claim to believe in God but will vote for pro-abortion candidates every time like Ted Kennedy. And many aren't religious. A truck outside the Catholic Church here owned by "hispanics" has one bumper sticker "We Vote Pro-Life" next to one of "Clinton-Gore" so I think many even who are religious just don't know.
Well now you are just getting into the paradox of why any non liberal on social issues would ever vote for a modern Dem. I have been on numerous discussion with Republicans wishing away breathlessly at how they are going to make strides in the black vote going to the GOP (ignoring the last 80 years of polling) when if they were smart and they weren't so worried about being accepted politically by blacks rather than actually being practical and would realize that socially conservative Catholics and Southern Dems are the people desperately in need of an explanation of the GOP's social platform. Unfortunately the Republicans are too busy hiding that plank at the Convention and trying to be a shiney new Dem alternative to blacks (yet again) that they are losing a tremendous opportunity.
For shame those dang republicans reaching out those black people.
That's right, you were on that mass hysteria of a thread too. You have my sympathies. In fairness should have pinged you to my post also. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1183350/posts?page=54#54
If by "shame" you are calling the Republicans insane, which is after all by definition repeating the same action over and over and expecting a different result, then I concur entirely. Why would blacks want second rate wanna be reaching out pandering when they can get it from a real pro who knows how?
And your point is? You said the GOP should reach out to Catholics and Southern Democrats. What for? Or are you one those Zell Millerites too! Look at your own numbers, esp, after Barry Goldwater stabbed black people in the back with that stupid southern strategy, also in concert with all the big government social schemes.
Some people treat religion as an ethnic qualifier.
Its called logic, learn it, love it, live it. Because unlike your brothers there is a possibility they might be open to "selling out" for the social conservatism increasely less represented by the increasingly radically socially left DNC.
Or are you one those Zell Millerites too!
Uh Zel is a long time partisan Dem "cyborg" thanks for proving my point.
Look at your own numbers, esp, after Barry Goldwater stabbed black people in the back with that stupid southern strategy, also in concert with all the big government social schemes.
You are talking in circles here, slow down and take a deep breath. Johnson was the big government spender, he had this thing called the Great Society in case you forgot. At the same time he ushered in a whole new age of blacks being even further extreme and out of touch from the rest of the voting body. Take a gander at Ronald Wilson Reagan's props from the blacks in his tremendous landslide in 84. No love for the man who had already proven to the American people he was one of the GREATEST PRESIDENTS IN AMERICAN HISTORY. The question isn't whether the GOP needs to reach out to blacks, its whether blacks need to reach out to the GOP because if that number is 100 instead of 89 and the Dems still get slaughtered, who cares?
I know --- blacks are quite conservative socially --- especially on abortion but they don't tend to vote that way --- not as a group.
Because unlike your brothers there is a possibility they might be open to "selling out" for the social conservatism increasely less represented by the increasingly radically socially left DNC.
*** What are you talking about?
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