Posted on 07/16/2004 5:34:53 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
Congressman John Culverson just stated he has just received informantion from Southern District U.S. Attorney Michael Shelby (Texas)that Al Quida members have been entering from our southern border and have been entering through Texas and blending into towns....He stated this was classified and he given the OK to release this information.
The congressman may be a former congress memeber, I didn't hear his complete title. He is on KFI Los Angeles now.
Bump for 501!
It could be profound --- but that doesn't mean bad --- what would happen? The fallout from open borders is that the corruption in Mexico continues, laws don't have to change, they continue with their two-tiered society. If the border were to close up, there would be pressure in Mexico for some badly needed changes, a push to allow a middle class in that country. If the borders were to suddenly be controlled, the elites in power would likely immediately pack their bags and head to exile in Spain --- the most corrupt would be the first to go.
You're right. A closed border would definitely mean no more US safety valve for Mexico's unhappy lower class. Pressure would certainly build to change society. It could be the making of that country. The oligarchy would cease to exist, the corrupt and powerful would eventually flee and a middle class would come into being. I hadn't considered the benefits for Mexico at all. I had blinders on and was only seeing things from a very morose US perspective. Funny, in all the eloquent essays on the Mexican/US border woes by V.D. Hanson that I've been lucky enough to read, I don't believe he's discussed it. He's had to have touched on it, of course, since he's an historian and a native Californian...and it's so clearly in Mexico's interest for this to occur.
Speaking of a nascent Mexican middle class, that must have been the prize in their NAFTA crackerjack box. Perhaps it will happen, but more slowly than we'd like.
I was referring to post #65 on that thread.
How the heck do you shut down a border in a country that advertizes itself to be walmart store for the rest of the world? How do you do it when the current inhabitants are dying faster than they are reproducing as a result of birth control and the widely practiced use of abortion to stop pregnancy? How do you do it when the entire economy (other than the doomsdayers holed up in the hills) is predicated on growth, in terms of total number of inhabitants and output?
If our borders had been closed these last 30 years, we would be humming along in perpetual recession. Face it, the continued viability of our economic system is dependent upon increased output of goods and services. If we won't provide the workers and consumers at home, you can bet your bottom dollar our leaders will find em and get em here. This is precisely what has occurred and will continue to occur.
Our strength lies in our ability to manage and inculcate a strong sense of consumerism in an ever increasing population. It's a pyramid scheme of sorts and cannot be averted without a huge reordering or priorities and standard of living.
I would say that a few of those pro-illegal alien name callers got tired of getting banned for at least a few days or they just simply got tired of getting their lunch money taking away from them in our debates with them.
For a while there I thought my name was Jethro.
And there is the big difference between Canada and Mexico. Mexico is one of the most corrupt countries on the face of the earth...
Most countries do control their borders --- is it racist when Mexicans control their border with Guatemala and deport Guatemalans or Hondurans found working illegally in Mexico?
No doubt about it. After all this open border chaos, and watching it *escalate* since President Bush has been in office, you can bet, if we are attacked, and it's discovered that they entered, with *little* effort through Mexico, this administration will implode....
Maybe that's the problem with the elite class in Mexico -- they have too few children and have been threatened by the over-population of their peasants --- too many excess servants they now want to dump on us --- but if wildly increasing population is the answer to a strong economy, then why isn't Mexico doing well? It's kind of interesting that the economy everyone is trying to head to is that of an Anglo-culture that isn't breeding like rabbits. With their extreme birth rates why isn't there a strong sense of consumerism and all that other good stuff there?
That was a very thought out response FITZ..
I agree with much of what you have said in your posts. However, I disagree with when this all started.
If you will read Barry Goldwater's acceptance speech at the 1964 Republican convention, you will note he outlined exactly what has and is happening in the world today. He just used different terminology. He was supposedly extreme right wing. However, he died known as a liberal. The speech is confusing in a way.
Go to google and type in Barry Goldwater speech.
I sincerely hope you're right, it's badly needed and long overdue.
You are so right!! THE CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS AND THE GREAT CALIPHATE
WOW!! Small world. Wasn't to comforting to know they made it on that base.
Maybe you ought to write the White House....Of course you may as well have debate with a telephone pole...
Huh?
I think it is why we are in Iraq. My biggest beef with this administration is the border issue. Considering our choices...
I guess we should at least make the most of the cheap labor.
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