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Congressman: Al Qaeda entering southern border and changing names to Mexican surnames
KFI 640 Radio Los Angeles | 7.16.04 | Joe Hadenuf

Posted on 07/16/2004 5:34:53 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf

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To: FITZ

Bump for 501!


501 posted on 07/18/2004 6:04:00 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Palm Beach voters: It's not the heat, it's the stupidity.)
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To: hershey
But the fallout from securing the border..sealing it, whatever, however, is profound.

It could be profound --- but that doesn't mean bad --- what would happen? The fallout from open borders is that the corruption in Mexico continues, laws don't have to change, they continue with their two-tiered society. If the border were to close up, there would be pressure in Mexico for some badly needed changes, a push to allow a middle class in that country. If the borders were to suddenly be controlled, the elites in power would likely immediately pack their bags and head to exile in Spain --- the most corrupt would be the first to go.

502 posted on 07/18/2004 6:08:37 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ

You're right. A closed border would definitely mean no more US safety valve for Mexico's unhappy lower class. Pressure would certainly build to change society. It could be the making of that country. The oligarchy would cease to exist, the corrupt and powerful would eventually flee and a middle class would come into being. I hadn't considered the benefits for Mexico at all. I had blinders on and was only seeing things from a very morose US perspective. Funny, in all the eloquent essays on the Mexican/US border woes by V.D. Hanson that I've been lucky enough to read, I don't believe he's discussed it. He's had to have touched on it, of course, since he's an historian and a native Californian...and it's so clearly in Mexico's interest for this to occur.

Speaking of a nascent Mexican middle class, that must have been the prize in their NAFTA crackerjack box. Perhaps it will happen, but more slowly than we'd like.


503 posted on 07/18/2004 7:21:47 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Joe Hadenuf

I was referring to post #65 on that thread.


504 posted on 07/18/2004 7:34:09 AM PDT by bayourod (Kerry, the human downer, knows the words to "optimism" but can't quite get the tune right.)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

How the heck do you shut down a border in a country that advertizes itself to be walmart store for the rest of the world? How do you do it when the current inhabitants are dying faster than they are reproducing as a result of birth control and the widely practiced use of abortion to stop pregnancy? How do you do it when the entire economy (other than the doomsdayers holed up in the hills) is predicated on growth, in terms of total number of inhabitants and output?

If our borders had been closed these last 30 years, we would be humming along in perpetual recession. Face it, the continued viability of our economic system is dependent upon increased output of goods and services. If we won't provide the workers and consumers at home, you can bet your bottom dollar our leaders will find em and get em here. This is precisely what has occurred and will continue to occur.

Our strength lies in our ability to manage and inculcate a strong sense of consumerism in an ever increasing population. It's a pyramid scheme of sorts and cannot be averted without a huge reordering or priorities and standard of living.


505 posted on 07/18/2004 8:54:16 AM PDT by kinghorse (The riders - they cover their face, (ah-ah-ah-ah). So you couldn't make them out in smoky place -)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
I can't imagine why..

I would say that a few of those pro-illegal alien name callers got tired of getting banned for at least a few days or they just simply got tired of getting their lunch money taking away from them in our debates with them.

For a while there I thought my name was Jethro.

506 posted on 07/18/2004 9:14:16 AM PDT by Missouri
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To: FITZ
You're right -- with money they can easily buy just about any Mexican official and obtain easy entry into the USA --- matricula cards have already been sold on the streets.

And there is the big difference between Canada and Mexico. Mexico is one of the most corrupt countries on the face of the earth...

507 posted on 07/18/2004 9:26:19 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf ( failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Cultural Jihad
All I did was point out that discussions about undocumented immigration invariably turn into whiny discussions on race by those who use the misdemeanor infractions

Most countries do control their borders --- is it racist when Mexicans control their border with Guatemala and deport Guatemalans or Hondurans found working illegally in Mexico?

508 posted on 07/18/2004 9:28:21 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: NCPAC
You can rightly blame Hagel, etc., but if the next terrorist attack is perpetrated by individuals who came in through the southern border - that attack will have GWB's name all over it. No excuses, no rationales: ALL GWB.

No doubt about it. After all this open border chaos, and watching it *escalate* since President Bush has been in office, you can bet, if we are attacked, and it's discovered that they entered, with *little* effort through Mexico, this administration will implode....

509 posted on 07/18/2004 9:31:47 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf ( failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: kinghorse
Our strength lies in our ability to manage and inculcate a strong sense of consumerism in an ever increasing population.

Maybe that's the problem with the elite class in Mexico -- they have too few children and have been threatened by the over-population of their peasants --- too many excess servants they now want to dump on us --- but if wildly increasing population is the answer to a strong economy, then why isn't Mexico doing well? It's kind of interesting that the economy everyone is trying to head to is that of an Anglo-culture that isn't breeding like rabbits. With their extreme birth rates why isn't there a strong sense of consumerism and all that other good stuff there?

510 posted on 07/18/2004 9:35:41 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ

That was a very thought out response FITZ..


511 posted on 07/18/2004 10:09:20 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf ( failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: hershey

I agree with much of what you have said in your posts. However, I disagree with when this all started.

If you will read Barry Goldwater's acceptance speech at the 1964 Republican convention, you will note he outlined exactly what has and is happening in the world today. He just used different terminology. He was supposedly extreme right wing. However, he died known as a liberal. The speech is confusing in a way.

Go to google and type in Barry Goldwater speech.


512 posted on 07/18/2004 10:44:18 AM PDT by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: hershey
So he must be ordering other, secret methods of border security.

I sincerely hope you're right, it's badly needed and long overdue.

513 posted on 07/18/2004 10:55:20 AM PDT by janetgreen (Wake Up President Bush - America is Being Invaded!!!)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
It isn't just Mexico, it's the whole south of the border thing. Mexican surnames do not have to be limited to Mexico.
514 posted on 07/18/2004 3:47:39 PM PDT by exhaustedmomma (BOYCOTT Hollywood--- leaves more time for political activisim.)
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To: NavySEAL F-16
The other thing is, Muslims have not just been thinking of taking over the world for the last ten to twenty years -- this is a 1400 year goal. Our Trojan Horse is here in America and will continue to grow.

You are so right!! THE CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS AND THE GREAT CALIPHATE

515 posted on 07/18/2004 3:50:47 PM PDT by exhaustedmomma (BOYCOTT Hollywood--- leaves more time for political activisim.)
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To: HiJinx
My house is about a mile and a half to the left of the hill in the middle foreground.

WOW!! Small world. Wasn't to comforting to know they made it on that base.

516 posted on 07/18/2004 3:54:41 PM PDT by exhaustedmomma (BOYCOTT Hollywood--- leaves more time for political activisim.)
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To: exhaustedmomma

Maybe you ought to write the White House....Of course you may as well have debate with a telephone pole...


517 posted on 07/18/2004 4:50:31 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf ( failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: kinghorse
How the heck do you shut down a border in a country that advertizes itself to be walmart store for the rest of the world?

Huh?

518 posted on 07/18/2004 4:52:17 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf ( failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

I think it is why we are in Iraq. My biggest beef with this administration is the border issue. Considering our choices...


519 posted on 07/18/2004 5:13:35 PM PDT by exhaustedmomma (BOYCOTT Hollywood--- leaves more time for political activism.)
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To: exhaustedmomma

I guess we should at least make the most of the cheap labor.


520 posted on 07/19/2004 12:34:03 AM PDT by newfarm4000n (Taxes for social security is theft)
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