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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

The problem is that "treatment' for homosexuality has proven to be quackery.

The Founders gave us the tools to deal with this: It's called "freedom of association." We will never eliminate homosexuals, and it is probably counterproductive to try. But we don't have to let them in to every aspect of society, especially those invovling young boys, either.


2 posted on 07/16/2004 9:03:01 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: eno_

Baloney.

Before 1973, when homosexuality was removed from the DSM as a mental disorder, there were numerous scientific papers/studies that were present within the sexual behavior medline that showed the effectiveness of sexual reorientation treatment. Sure, the percentage of homosexuals who were treated that changed their sexual orientation from total homosexual to total heterosexual was between 30 and 50%, but should treatment be denied, say, for all people who may suufer a heart attck, if the success rate of treatment is only 30 to 50%?

As well, recently, there was a paper published among the American Psychological Associations books by Dr. Throckmorten that showed that reorientation treatment was safe and effective. Dr. Spitzer's(The man who in 1973 helped lead the charge to have homosexuality removed from the DSM-II) recent work(2003) also shows that sexual reorientation treatment does, in fact, work.

Both show that sexual reorientation treatment for homosexuals is successful, just as it was proven to be before 1973.


6 posted on 07/16/2004 9:17:18 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: eno_

I assume you are also claiming we don't have the right to deny ourselves treatment.


24 posted on 07/16/2004 10:01:03 AM PDT by nosofar ("I'm not above the Law. I am the Law!" - Judge Dredd)
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To: eno_

As well, the Founders were all citizens of various states within the Republic at a time when all the states had laws banning homosexual behavior. The Founders gave us no such tools to deal with them(homosexuals)& it's not called "freedom of association", despite your ridiculous and uninformed assertion concerning "freedom of association".


39 posted on 07/19/2004 6:08:36 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: eno_
The problem is that "treatment' for homosexuality has proven to be quackery.

Dignity

68 posted on 07/21/2004 12:20:20 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: eno_

The Founders gave us the tools to deal with this:(You are correct. Then Sodomy was a Crime of Infamy One that James Wilson,and other students of Wm Blackstone refused to even talk about-it is so detestable.The penalty in the colonies was generally either death—or expulsion.Jefferson proposed a more humane penalty for Virginia -he proposed castration if a male or the boring of a hole through the cartilage of the nose no less than 1/2 in. diameter if a female.His proposal was rejected and the laws remained untouched for several decades.Dr.Robert Spitzer -who initially supported the LIE concerning sexual orientation around 2000 published that his studies found the APA was wrong and the homosexual can ,if they desire to change, change orientation.Even the homosexual community seem to admit that sexual orientation is fluid and changes throughout life.No doubt some of it may be referred to as quackery—but the same charge can be laid at the feet of a significant portion of that field psychotherapy.


107 posted on 06/28/2013 5:33:08 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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