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To: asmith92008

"Homosexuality and obscenity were illegal at America's founding."

Yeah, and slavery was legal, blacks were 4/5ths of a person, and women couldn't vote. Things and times change.


"The Fonders recognized that it had to be a nation of moral people in order for the Republic to work."


If that's true, we're in big trouble, as morality is impossible to force or enforce. Stopping gay marriage will not stop immorality.


137 posted on 07/16/2004 11:10:05 PM PDT by Blzbba (Hillary Clinton - Dawn of a New Error.)
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To: Blzbba
Yeah, and slavery was legal, blacks were 4/5ths of a person, and women couldn't vote. Things and times change.

LOL!!!! The social liberals always say that when pointed out that the founders would never have agreed with them.

144 posted on 07/17/2004 8:34:31 AM PDT by Hacksaw
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1. If you are going to quote the Constitution out of context, quote it correctly. Slaves were counted as 3/5 for purposes of apportioning representation. This was a compromise to dilute slave holder power. Had they been allowed to count slaves as 1 person 1 rep (even though slaves couldn't vote) then the slave holders in the south would have been given enormous leverage in the House as a result of their large slave populations. Perhaps you should spend more time reading the Constitution instead of Julian Bond or Kweise Mfume's latest screeds.

Secondly, the expansion in rights from the Constituting was an exercise in democratic governance. They were not the results of courts imposing a dictat upon the people.

So if times have truly changed, let me see one state in America where the people have voted to allow homosexual marriage. Oh yeah, none have. Even Hawaii, quite a liberal state amended its constitution when the judges tried imposing it there. Massachusetts is in the process but has quite an unwieldy process for amending so it takes years.

Times have not changed. Hedonists and libertines have simply infiltrated the courts and wish to impose their views on an unwilling majority.

2. All laws enforce morality. We deem murder immoral and enforce that through our laws. It does not stop all murders but it allows us to punish transgressors and deter future transgressions. This holds true for all laws.

Until the 1960s (maybe earlier on some things, later on others) we did quite a good job of enforcing morality. Obscenity was outlawed and distribution through interstate commerce a crime. Acts like adultery were actually allowed to be civil torts against the person who helped break up the marriage and the law punished the married party in the property split. These are jst two examples of how the law helped enforce, and reinforce, the traditional morality

3, You are correct that stopping gay marriage will not, on its own, stop immorality. It will, however help us stop our ongoing cultural slide.

Your argument is akin to saying that a house is on fire, so we should throw gasoline on it.
149 posted on 07/17/2004 11:50:35 AM PDT by asmith92008 (If we buy into the nonsense that we always have to vote for RINOs, we'll just end up taking the horn)
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