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To: jdege
Rand believed that you could determine the proper rules for society by a simple rational process.

Actually, it was more of a logical process, in that she had embedded assumptions from which she drew conclusions. However, there is no rational basis on which one can prove those initial assumptions. (That's what makes them assumptions.)

If you accept as stated in the article that Rand's objectivist philosophy is: 'Good = that which is free, productive, etc.' then you may draw logical conclusions from that premise. But what if 'Good = that which provides the longest, healthiest life for the most people'? Or, if one accepts the existence of a higher power than mankind (which Rand rejects), then the proper premise is: 'Good = that which helps man to achieve Salvation/Paradise.'

In fact, Rand's philosophy as expressed in 'Atlas Shrugged' is inherently illogical. Those who 'shrug' off the burden of the unproductive (giving up their productive wealth and power to withdraw to the mountain hideaway) in fact are making a sacrifice which will (ultimately) benefit others - which is doing exactly what the unproductive want. It's a different group who benefit (perhaps the descendents of those who 'shrug' off their burden instead of the multi-generation unproductive) but it's still sacrificing for others. The ultimate example of this is when John Galt tells the torturer how to fix the machine they are using to torture him. He sacrifices so that they may achieve their desire, even though that desire is undeserving. Shouldering the burdens of the unproductive/incompetent.

And in that way 'Atlas Shrugged' and 'Lord of the Rings' do show a strong parallel. In each case, the fight against evil requires self-sacrifice.

Rand's primary problem is that she had no faith in anyone or anything higher than herself. Her ego got in the way of accepting faith as a 'rational' basis for action - yet it is an inherent aspect of the human animal to have faith in things not provable (for example: Love) and she based her own philosophy on faith in a particular premise on the definition of good and evil. She rejected part of humanity in an attempt to show what she considered the highest form of humanity, and so - as you put it so plainly - she was wrong.
15 posted on 07/14/2004 2:54:42 PM PDT by Gorjus
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To: Gorjus
That's a good analysis, but I think you made a bit of a mistake. If a man dies in fighting evil, according to Rand it's not a sacrifice - He values goodness so much he is willing to die for it. So logically, this applies to religion as well - Everyone has some good points and bad points. This includes Rand, no matter what her personal or philosophical faults were.
19 posted on 07/14/2004 3:03:17 PM PDT by Taka No Kimi (When an eel bit your thigh and you think you will die that's a moray.)
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To: Gorjus
Rand's primary problem is that she had no faith in anyone or anything higher than herself.

The simple fact that her philosophy was void of humor is evident of the above. She created a Platonic "World of The Forms" just like the one she so scathingly criticized.

However, I must admit when it comes to logic and defining reality, she did quite a good job. The axioms of the philosophy are solid, however Aristotlean. And her writings on Capitalism and ideas about government are unsurpassed in our age. It's just that her idea of everyday life was unrealistic. People require relaxation, humor, and a little non-sense to be their best and be their most productive. She didn't get this at all.

Rational selfishness? Sure, I'll buy it. But, you gotta let me have a cold beer and veg on some TV once in a while.

35 posted on 07/14/2004 8:08:56 PM PDT by numberonepal (<a href=http://goodnewsamerica.us>goodnewsamerica.us</a> Fast News For Common Sense People)
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