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To: XJarhead
nor did I say that the Pledge was not a part of the service.

Alright. Seems quite a few have been saying that - for reasons of their own, I'm sure. That's the good thing you see on 'freeper'. It's not just conservative opinion. You've got some 'moles', or whatever, who pop up to question basic belief in this, or that. But you need that give and take - at least in my opinion.

loyal citizen of another country saying the Pledge strikes me as odd.

Respect for the nation.

And if part of the service had been the Pledge of Allegiance,

It's different when it's the late President.

I resigned my commission rather than serve under Clinton.

Not that it might matter, but I admire you for that. Actually, that itself was an act of patriotism; standing up for the nation, what it is supposed to represent, standing for a true sense of honor against one who really held that and the nation in contempt - clearly who still does. But the reason for saying the Pledge at a state funeral might be because it's a state funeral. And clearly Arnold should have said the Pledge. I'm pretty sure you or I would have proudly recited the Pledge, if we'd been invited.

141 posted on 07/13/2004 6:16:31 PM PDT by sevry
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To: sevry
That's the good thing you see on 'freeper'. It's not just conservative opinion. You've got some 'moles', or whatever, who pop up to question basic belief in this, or that.

You just get more and more interesting. You call the website "freeper"... which is usually the only word the left knows us by. And then you propose that the other people who disagree with you must be "moles".

And you yourself are a brand, spanking NEW MEMBER who has done nothing but criticize Bush and Republicans.

144 posted on 07/13/2004 6:56:13 PM PDT by Tamzee (Flush the Johns before they flood the White House!)
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To: sevry
Respect for the nation.

That'd be singing the National Anthem. But if the words to the Pledge mean what they say, then Margaret Thatcher -- of whom I'm a huge fan -- just pledged her loyalty to a foreign government. A bit odd.

It's different when it's the late President.

Like I said, I can understand differences of opinion on this. What I object to is anyone who has a contrary opinion being labeled unpatriotic, a communist, or a Stern-disciple. I'm a patriot, a strong anti-communist, and I think Stern's an idiot.

To put it in perspective, I think its important to keep funerals from turning into a political events as did the Wellstone fiasco. Sing Amazing Graze, God Bless America, etc. The Pledge just doesn't seem to fit to me.

But the reason for saying the Pledge at a state funeral might be because it's a state funeral. And clearly Arnold should have said the Pledge. I'm pretty sure you or I would have proudly recited the Pledge, if we'd been invited.

I don't know about that. Still seems out of place to me. I'd have put my hand over the heart and been respectful, but I'm not sure I'd have said the Pledge. Not because I oppose saying it -- I still think schools should open with it everyday because they should be teaching citizenship.

What I don't like is the "disagree with me and your a commie" line.

162 posted on 07/14/2004 12:07:13 PM PDT by XJarhead
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To: sevry
Respect for the nation.

That'd be singing the National Anthem. But if the words to the Pledge mean what they say, then Margaret Thatcher -- of whom I'm a huge fan -- just pledged her loyalty to a foreign government. A bit odd.

It's different when it's the late President.

Like I said, I can understand differences of opinion on this. What I object to is anyone who has a contrary opinion being labeled unpatriotic, a communist, or a Stern-disciple. I'm a patriot, a strong anti-communist, and I think Stern's an idiot.

To put it in perspective, I think its important to keep funerals from turning into a political events as did the Wellstone fiasco. Sing Amazing Graze, God Bless America, etc. The Pledge just doesn't seem to fit to me.

But the reason for saying the Pledge at a state funeral might be because it's a state funeral. And clearly Arnold should have said the Pledge. I'm pretty sure you or I would have proudly recited the Pledge, if we'd been invited.

I don't know about that. Still seems out of place to me. I'd have put my hand over the heart and been respectful, but I'm not sure I'd have said the Pledge. Not because I oppose saying it -- I still think schools should open with it everyday because they should be teaching citizenship.

What I don't like is the "disagree with me and your a commie" line.

163 posted on 07/14/2004 12:19:32 PM PDT by XJarhead
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