Posted on 07/13/2004 12:04:37 AM PDT by ladylibertyok
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Arnold un-Reagan-like
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© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
Now that a decent interval has passed since the moving tributes and funeral of the late Ronald Reagan, maybe it's time to comment on something unseemly that took place before the late president was laid to rest.
There was Margaret Thatcher, the former prime minister of Great Britain, standing next to California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Thatcher recited the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America – not her own flag.
Schwarzenegger, an American running the executive branch of government of the largest state in the union, did not.
I didn't notice it when it took place. It was brought to my attention by a caller to my radio program. I had to go back and check the tapes. Sure enough, the caller was right.
Since then, other people who witnessed the funeral have told me they noticed it right away.
I wonder how many millions of people around the world took notice?
This troubles me.
I always liked Schwarzenegger's movies. But I've never liked him as a politician. I don't think he has any principles, any deeply held convictions, any beliefs beyond what the pollsters and the media advisers tell him.
Most of the positions he has taken are wrong. And when he takes the right position on an issue, you never know if he will reverse himself the following week.
Now this.
How can one explain why the governor of California, of all people, would not say the Pledge of Allegiance at an internationally televised funeral for Ronald Reagan? What was he thinking? Was it an oversight of some kind? Was he so in awe of the event that he lost himself? Is it possible he doesn't know the words? Maybe it's time for a crash course.
I've tried to think about this in ways in which I could give him the benefit of the doubt.
But I'm deeply troubled by it.
How embarrassing for our nation.
On the one hand, Lady Thatcher says the pledge though no one would expect her to do so. She's a British citizen who should not be expected to pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. But she did. And she is standing next to a man who has chosen America as his adopted homeland – a man in a high-profile elected office – and he refuses to say it.
To me, this is more egregious than Bill and Hillary Clinton apparently dozing off during the eulogies at the National Cathedral. That bit of rudeness should be expected from a couple of cheap politicians. But I can't even imagine Bill or Hillary failing to say the Pledge of Allegiance – not when they know the whole world is watching.
I think Arnold Schwarzenegger needs to explain himself.
After all, Sen. Orin Hatch, R-Utah, has introduced legislation in the U.S. Congress to amend the Constitution so that the foreign-born Schwarzenegger could someday run for president. I don't expect that amendment to go anywhere, but, nevertheless, it has been introduced.
And Schwarzenegger is still the governor of California – the state, ironically enough, from where the latest challenge to the Pledge of Allegiance, and its "under God" phrase, went all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court.
He needs to explain himself and apologize for the poor etiquette and unpatriotic attitude he displayed during the Reagan funeral. It was a slight not only to the United States of America, but to the late president.
Comparisons have actually been drawn between Schwarzenegger and Reagan. Reagan, an actor, launched his political career as governor of California. But, as far as I'm concerned, that's where the comparisons stop.
We all knew Ronald Reagan. And Arnold Schwarzenegger is no Ronald Reagan.
"This really troubles me too folks!! I don't think something like this should be over looked. There is absolutely no reason why he shouldn't be saying the Pledge of Allegiance. He's the governor of "Culifawnya" for pete's sake. Last time I looked at a map, it was still part of the USA. Like the author, I find him to be lacking in political beliefs and I think he only ran for governor because he is so obsessed with power. Am I off the mark on this or what?? I noticed no one else in the media picked up on it. Not surprising!!!"
He doesn't even know the Catholic sign of the cross. After the Reagan Library service he and his wife approached the coffin. While his wife correctly blessed herself - temple, heart, left shoulder, right shoulder - he did a right shoulder, left shoulder move. In his Hollywood mind-set I guess he figures any screw up can be fixed with another 'take'.
That one you could proably let slide. I believe the Greek make the sign of the cross right to left, rather than left to right. Maybe he was thinking Greek Orthodox.
They're thinking that it doesn't matter who they put up there. The faithful on this forum and elsewhere will vote for them no matter who they support and promote. Your opinion doesn't matter to the GOP leadership because you're a conservative. Your vote is all that matters and for many people on this board that vote is already sewn up regardless.
Come on now, give 'em a break. They're just mad that their boy McClintock couldn't even beat a fifth-rate ward heeler like Bustamante in an election, and they're just taking all that misplaced rage out on Arnold.
"Oh horrors! He moved his hand right to left instead of left to right when making the sign of the Cross! STONE HIM!!!!
Can you tell I'm sick and tired of Republicans eating their own?
So you're what, then - a McClintock-basher? What does that say for you?
It was Farah who saw this on his tape. Others who say they have tapes didn't find Lady Thathcher reciting the Pledge as Arnold stood by. I, myself, don't have tape or dvd to check, myself. But you're basically calling Farah a liar, and his callers who put him on to it. Starts to sound like a . . . conspiracy.
He loses elections. Often.
What does that say for you?
It says that I support candidates who have a realistic shot of winning and don't waste my time or support on candidates who don't.
But you're basically calling Farah a liar, and his callers who put him on to it.
I'm doing no such thing. Don't put words in people's mouths.
Starts to sound like a . . . conspiracy.
Bet you see a lot of those, don't you?
So McClintock, that is - was appointed to his currect position? And of course, you're not bashing . . him. No.
Don't put words in people's mouths.
Either you agree with Joe Farah - or you don't. Either you're saying Arnold did, or he couldn't have. If he couldn't have, then Farah lied. It's that simple. He said he reviewed the tape himself.
He's asking for funding, again. It's a fund-raising day over at wnd. Maybe you could offer your services as editorial writer? Provide them some content for sale.
What's wrong with an American politician attending the funeral of a foreign leader that he knew?
Again, I post "A" and you respond with "B". Go cry on somebody else's shoulder.
Sure. He and the President are friends and political allies. The President asked him to attend the funeral as his representative. No politician would say no to that.
What you posted was that he didn't win elections. So, me - being me - I just wondered how it was he was currently doing what he's doing, if he doesn't win elections?
Ultimately, you know, he was the better candidate. Arnold's camp was always making noises about getting him to drop out, for drawing away too many votes.
I can't believe that Hatch is trying to pass an ammendent to let naturalized citizens, good as they may be, run for office.
Look for Arnold to be in the news at another funeral soon.
His mentor and great friend Joe Gold died on Sunday. Joe was like a father to Arnold. Joe was also a friend of mine & Dans.
But of course. Greek Orthodox. Arnold Schwarzenegger. Right.
Division. Maybe just stupidity, but many of the ones who attack their fellows are interested in division. Divide and conquer. Doesn't matter how patriotic the handle, read their words and recognize actions meant to disrupt our unity.
If you were a disruptor, what would your screenname be?
Yes.
Yes or no, would you enjoy hearing Margaret Thatcher say the Pledge of Allegiance?
Get your head outta your posterior and the odor will change.
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