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Just once, I'd like to see a discussion on a thread dealing with this issue where black people would read the print before their eyes and ingest the point being made without trying to rewrite the material to fit their own jaundiced approach, setting up straw men, and arguing about things never even included in the original posting. Look at the stuff I originally wrote, READ IT, then make some sort of point relevant to the original post, not some hackneyed input and lamentation that supports the view that all blacks are incapable of discussing this issue "dispassionately".

It is laughable to throw out the Santayana quote that everyone uses, but few appreciate, about remembering history. Then, try REMEMBERING HISTORY! The facts are, millions of people around the world have suffered at the hands of Leviathan government, here and abroad. Mostly abroad! Nobody is suggesting that bad things haven't happened to black people. The point being made is that black people are not, and never have been, the ONLY people of any ethnicity to suffer at other's hands. NOT EVEN HERE IN THE US! Given this, it is ludicrous to assert, as some have here, that implementing the statist agenda currently espoused by the socialist/communist Democrats among us will lead to anything other than more misery and death, as these approaches have led to the misery and death of untold millions worldwide. Until blacks here begin to recognize THIS historical truth, as Garvey and King were unable or unwilling to do, but as Douglas and Washington were able to appreciate, then black people will continue to suffer REGARDLESS of whether their oppressors are WHITE OR BLACK!

"Those who do not remember history are condemned to repeat it." - Jorge Santayana

"Just once, I'd like to see a discussion on a thread dealing with this issue where black people would read the print before their eyes and ingest the point being made without trying to rewrite the material to fit their own jaundiced approach[.]"

I'm sorry, but perhaps you have forgotten your own posts. My reply is not in contention with your political philosophy, which at this point in time is nebulous. I'm merely making a point that you and others like you seem to be remiss about. Your historical recollection is selective and you overlook the significance of the very recent past. The relationship between our own government and people of African descent in America has been unstable, regardless of political party.

"It is ludicrous to assert, as some have here, that implementing the statist agenda currently espoused by the socialist/communist Democrats among us will lead to anything other than more misery and death[.]"

No one ever made such an assertion as the one you insinuate. The "point" is that,naturally, blacks will gravitate toward the party who at least pretends to care about the past. The party who at least pretends to give them a voice. Instead of a party where people like you pat them on the head and say "Now now little Negro, lets leave the past in the past," just to relinquish any possible blemishes within your own agenda.

The problem is, conservatives like you knowingly/unknowingly insult the intelligence of blacks who do understand that big government will always treat them as second class citizens. Instead of telling the truth and saying that in the past the conservative agenda did not necessarily recognize or view the rights of blacks as a priority. You'd rather brazen it over. This is not a great approach if you're trying to reach an historically overlooked demographic. Thats all I'm saying.