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No, I am sorry you took it that way, it wasn't meant that way. I personally went to school on my own money and worked hard for it. But, my daughter got herself in a mess and ended up needing help, her husband walked out on her and left her with 4 children. She grew up fast, but also when she finally went to work and found her check was so darn small she realized that she better get a better education and get out of the mess she was in and she has. And, she has paid it all back. I am not for not helping someone at one time or another if they will get out of the trap they are in. That shows growing up, maybe not the best way to grow up but she did and is doing a heck of a job raising her children and working and having a home. I'm sorry you feel that I am looking like a socialist, believe me, you couldn't be more wrong. You must have been lucky enough to not have 4 little responsibilities, and no her husband did not pay child support and the government didn't go after him for a long time, and when they finally did, he only had to pay a small percentage of his pay. Her husband wasn't responsible for his actions, and that is how the government gets into her life, not because she wanted it. She is now a hard working conservative single mom.

Here's my beef. Before Johnson folks relied on themselves and families to get out of their personal situations. Now they rely on the government, and the same logic being used to justify pell grants can be used to justify a whole host of liberal social programs. the end result is the welfare state, and we've seen how disasterous 40 years of welfare programs have been. What we need is a return to self reliance.

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(Here's my beef. Before Johnson folks relied on themselves and families to get out of their personal situations. Now they rely on the government, and the same logic being used to justify pell grants can be used to justify a whole host of liberal social programs. the end result is the welfare state, and we've seen how disasterous 40 years of welfare programs have been. What we need is a return to self reliance.)

Surprise, I agree with you, but sometimes people are thrown in positions that they never expected. But just remember she is now teaching her children how not to be on welfare, or getting paid education. So far two of her kids are going into college on their own. Go grades got them help and working a job will take care of the rest. The other 2 our still in high school with good grades. Its not 40 years of social services its over 60 years it started with Roosevelt.

I have been writing my Congressmen and Senators on this subject, but I am from the state of WA, and you can guess how far I am getting. We need to change policies, but when you are talking to someone like Patty Murray or McDermott, your talking to "THE" socialist top people.