When and where did she say that? Gilligan embellished, but what is at issue is what Kelly told them both, and on that they both agree.
AUGUST 13, 2003 : (DR KELLY INVESTIGATION/ BBC MEDIA SCANDAL : WATTS ) During the inquiry ... into the suicide of Dr. Kelly, Ms. Watts blew Mr. Gilligan's tendentious report out of the water. Ms. Watts released a tape of her last conversation with Dr. Kelly, who makes clear that he is not in a position to assert that Mr. Campbell inserted anything into the intelligence report. Ms. Watts said of her conversations with Dr. Kelly, "He didn't say to me that the dossier was transformed in the last week and he certainly didn't say that the 45-minute claim was inserted either by Alastair Campbell or by anyone else in government. In fact, he denied specifically that Alastair Campbell was involved in the conversation on May 30 . . . he was very clear to me that the claim was in the original intelligence." Ms. Watts testified ... that the BBC seemed primarily interested in corroborating Mr. Gilligan's account rather than in the merits of her own reports: "I felt under some considerable pressure to reveal my source. I also felt the purpose of that was to help corroborate the Andrew Gilligan allegations and not for any proper news purpose." And, "I was most concerned that there was an attempt to mold [her reports] so that they were corroborative which I felt was misguided and false."
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Earlier, the inquiry heard a tape recording of a telephone conversation that Miss Watts had with Dr Kelly the day after Mr Gilligan's report was broadcast, during which she sought to clarify comments made by Dr Kelly about Mr Campbell in an earlier conversation. Asked whether "Alastair Campbell himself" had ordered the dossier to be allegedly altered, Dr Kelly replied: "No, I can't. All I can say is the No 10 press office. I've never met Alastair Campbell so I can't..." He added: "I think Alastair Campbell is synonymous with that press office because he's responsible for it."
Miss Watts told the inquiry that she believed Dr Kelly was making clear that Mr Campbell was not personally involved. "I think he was clarifying what he was saying in the earlier conversation on May 7. He was talking about the No 10 press office generically as a tribe rather than Alastair Campbell as an individual," she said. "To my mind he specifically denies that Alastair Campbell was involved personally by saying: 'No, I can't'." -- "BBC reporter refused to name Kelly" (Bad News for BBC)