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To: piasa
Please read the testimony I linked. Kelly did say what was attributed to him by Gilligan and Watts.

He wasn't murdered, he apparently had a conscious and/or fear of other repercussions so killed himself after he was exposed as doing something (speaking against the government to these reporters) when he shouldn't have, then giving misleading testimony before the hearing.

The quote that Kelly tried like hell to avoid conceding he'd said:

Q23 Mr Chidgey: Thank you. I would just like to read out to you a statement in the notes that were made: "In the run-up to the dossier the Government was obsessed with finding intelligence to justify an immediate Iraqi threat. While we were agreed on the potential Iraqi threat in the future there was less agreement about the threat the Iraqis posed at the moment. That was the real concern, not so much what they had now but what they would have in the future, but that unfortunately was not expressed strongly in the dossier because that takes the case away for war to a certain extent". Finally, "The 45 minutes was a statement that was made and it got out of all proportion. They were desperate for information. They were pushing hard for information that could be released. That was one that popped up and it was seized on and it is unfortunate that it was. That is why there is an argument between the intelligence services and Number 10, because they had picked up on it and once they had picked up on it you cannot pull back from it, so many people will say 'Well, we are not sure about that' because the word smithing is actually quite important." I understand from Miss Watts that is the record of a meeting that you had with her. Do you still agree with those comments?

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I don't see any contradiction between the Kelly you cite (and with which I am familiar, having researched this) and the Kelly that spoke with Gilligan, Watts and other reporters.

The reason this is on point for this thread is I contend there was a coordinated effort to bring down Blair and Bush with charges of lying about intelligence. That some people were useful fools and manipulated to this end is no surprise.

264 posted on 07/10/2004 8:06:42 PM PDT by cyncooper ("We will fear no evil...And we will prevail")
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To: cyncooper
I don't see any contradiction between the Kelly you cite (and with which I am familiar, having researched this) and the Kelly that spoke with Gilligan, Watts and other reporters.

That's odd because Susan Watts said there was a contradiction.

274 posted on 07/10/2004 8:53:32 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: cyncooper

There is no doubt there is a coordinated effort to bring down Bush and Blair. Or for that matter, the underreported effort to bring down the Aussie leader, too.


278 posted on 07/10/2004 8:58:52 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: cyncooper

It's not that I doubt he killed himself so much as I doubt he did it for the reasons attributed to him by reporters claiming to be his friends.


282 posted on 07/10/2004 9:12:39 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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