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Science Icon Fires Broadside At Creationists
London Times vis The Statesman (India) ^ | 04 July 2004 | Times of London Editorial

Posted on 07/04/2004 5:19:27 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

Professor Ernst Mayr, the scientist renowned as the father of modern biology, will celebrate his 100th birthday tomorrow by leading a scathing attack on creationism.

The evolutionary biologist, who is already acclaimed as one of the most prolific researchers of all time, has no intention of retiring and is shortly to publish new research that dismantles the fashionable creationist doctrine of “intelligent design”.

Although he has reluctantly cut his workload since a serious bout of pneumonia 18 months ago, Prof. Mayr has remained an active scientist at Harvard University throughout his 90s. He has written five books since his 90th birthday and is researching five academic papers. One of these, scheduled to appear later this year, will examine how “intelligent design” — the latest way in which creationists have sought to present a divine origin of the world — was thoroughly refuted by Charles Darwin a century and a half ago.

His work is motivated in part by a sense of exasperation at the re-emergence of creationism in the USA, which he compares unfavourably with the widespread acceptance of evolution that he encountered while growing up in early 20th-century Germany.

The states of Florida, Mississippi, Missouri, Illinois, Kentucky and Oklahoma currently omit the word “evolution” from their curriculums. The Alabama state board of education has voted to include disclaimers in textbooks describing evolution as a theory. In Georgia, the word “evolution” was banned from the science curriculum after the state’s schools superintendent described it as a “controversial buzzword”.

Fierce protest, including criticism from Jimmy Carter, the former President, reversed this.

Prof. Mayr, who will celebrate his 100th birthday at his holiday home in New Hampshire with his two daughters, five grandchildren and 10 great-grandchildren, was born on 5 July 1905 in Kempten, Germany. He took a PhD in zoology at the University of Berlin, before travelling to New Guinea in 1928 to study its diverse bird life. On his return in 1930 he emigrated to the USA. His most famous work, Systematics and the Origin of Species, was published in 1942 and is regarded still as a canonical work of biology.

It effectively founded the modern discipline by combining Darwin’s theory of evolution by natural selection with Gregor Mendel’s genetics, showing how the two were compatible. Prof. Mayr redefined what scientists mean by a species, using interbreeding as a guide. If two varieties of duck or vole do not interbreed, they cannot be the same species.

Prof. Mayr has won all three of the awards sometimes termed the “triple crown” of biology — the Balzan Prize, the Crafoord Prize and the International Prize for Biology. Although he formally retired in 1975, he has been active as an Emeritus Professor ever since and has recently written extensively on the philosophy of biology.


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To: Doctor Stochastic

so them, the theory of theology is sound, but theology is not? (im not trying to be a smart ass, i think i just cleared up alot of trouble i was having with you)


1,041 posted on 07/12/2004 9:12:27 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: MacDorcha
.999... about= 1.

But does it equal "1" Exactly?.

"Doctor Stochastic" didn't evade the question. There's no reason for you to be so squeamish.

Or do you think it is a Gödel statement?

1,042 posted on 07/12/2004 9:18:38 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: MacDorcha

I have made no comments about theory of theology nor about theology. In as much as creationism claims to be a science, it fails to rise to the level of a theory. In as much as it claims to be theology, it doesn't belong in a science class. This applies to all versions of creationism; none give methods to distinguish their claims from Last Thursdayism.


1,043 posted on 07/12/2004 9:20:27 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
you yourself said in this very line that "theology is not a science" this would be a "comment" you so claim you do not make.
you seem to dispute when i say you don't believe in God, making me feel you are open to the idea, if God was provable. but then you claim it cant be in a science class. in other words; you have no problem with the idea of studying God, you just don't see how it is feasible, so you refuse to study Him in the first place. the claims i offer for my God in relation to science is that, unlike mythos of times past, the Bible does NOT disagree with science, it simply puts it into terms people that have been dead for 3000 years could understand. show me 2 lines in Genesis that could not possibly have been mis-translated into refuting an idea science presents, and i will take back everything i have said this post and appologize for wasting you time.
1,044 posted on 07/12/2004 9:30:20 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: MacDorcha
Something for you to ponder:

you have already stipulated that 3/3=0.999...., and you have ALSO stipulated that 3/3=1.

thus, we have:

0.999... =(3/3)=1

Now, the question for you to think about is what does the transitive property of equivalence relations tell us about the question of whether or not 0.999.... =1.

Another thing to ponder: 0.999... is a non-terminating repeating decimal. That means that there are an infinite number of "9's" to the right of the decimal place. That's what the "..." (ellipses) that are after the last "9" mean. Give some thought on how that bears upon the question I've been asking you.

1,045 posted on 07/12/2004 9:49:11 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: longshadow

Oh, you nasty man!


1,046 posted on 07/13/2004 3:53:46 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Freeper #26,303, registered since the 20th Century, never suspended, over 183 threads posted.)
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To: longshadow
very good, now you have pointed out WHY i have been using the ellipses. i know full well that despite "transitive properties" that 3/3=1=0.999... is not always the same, but is so often indistinguishable, that we simply run with it. as the usefulness is no more diminished than if i gave you "99.99999..." dollars instead of "100" you could use it the same way. this is because we do not use and cannot use a nonterminating numbers in the real world. maybe look at it this way. does 1.000... = 0.999...? this is also looked at in geometry, where graphs often go to either direction on the y-axis, and their curve shows them so close to, and approaching "0" that it is simply drawn that way, even though the two curves never meet on the y-axis. i forget what that kind of graph is called, but i believe it's the y=1/x graph. it will approach 0 for all time, but at what number does 1/x=0? (keeping in mind that the denominator cannot be 0, as it would discontinue the equation.)
1,047 posted on 07/13/2004 5:31:37 AM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: longshadow

Be careful out there. You are dealing with a man who knows that "the source of gravity is still not entirely understood".


1,048 posted on 07/13/2004 6:09:33 AM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: MacDorcha

If you feel that .999... is not equal to 1, then you must be able to exhibit a number between the two of them. The rationals form a dense subset of the real line.


1,049 posted on 07/13/2004 6:12:07 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: longshadow
I know all about Number One:


1,050 posted on 07/13/2004 7:48:57 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Number #26,303, registered since the 20th Century, never suspended, over 184 threads posted.)
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To: MacDorcha; Doctor Stochastic
i know full well that despite "transitive properties" that 3/3=1=0.999... is not always the same,

So, you're saying under SOME conditions 0.999... =1, and under other conditions, it does not =1.

I hate to point this out, but you are beginning to sound an awful lot like John Kerry ("Well, you see Larry, sometimes I support the war, and sometimes I don't....")

0.999.... has an infinite number of "9's" to the right of the decimal place UNDER ALL CONDITIONS and at ALL TIMES. It's exact value isn't wandering around. 0.999... =0.999... under ALL conditions. So how can it equal, and not equal, "1" depending on "circumstances"?

1,051 posted on 07/13/2004 8:18:17 AM PDT by longshadow
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To: PatrickHenry
You probably also have a passing acquaintance with number two.
1,052 posted on 07/13/2004 8:23:34 AM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: nightdriver

It is a shame that he hasn't yet evolved past that whole pneumonia thing.


1,053 posted on 07/13/2004 8:25:15 AM PDT by RUCKUS INC. ("Wow, what a crapweasel." - Frank_Discussion)
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To: js1138
You probably also have a passing acquaintance with number two.

Indeed I do.


1,054 posted on 07/13/2004 8:26:00 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Number #26,303, registered since the 20th Century, never suspended, over 184 threads posted.)
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To: longshadow

Simple. When you get to the end of the infinite series, you sneak in an extra digit when no one is looking.


1,055 posted on 07/13/2004 8:54:47 AM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: longshadow

Some people can't count up to one.


1,056 posted on 07/13/2004 9:04:30 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic; MacDorcha

If the set of objects you're working with is leaves, and functions result in piles of leaves, then 1 + 1 = 1, when 2 separate piles of leaves are raked into one larger pile of leaves.

Fortunately this has nothing to do with your discussion.


1,057 posted on 07/13/2004 9:44:04 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Doctor Stochastic; balrog666

999gorlaB placemarker


1,058 posted on 07/13/2004 9:49:22 AM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: js1138
When you get to the end of the infinite series, you sneak in an extra digit when no one is looking.

To quote Sgt. Hartmann from "Full Metal Jacket":

"You're a sneaky little sh*t; I've got my eye on you!"

;-)

1,059 posted on 07/13/2004 10:41:39 AM PDT by longshadow
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To: PatrickHenry

Yeah, yeah. I've heard that one before: "Give me your gold; gold is worthless where you're going." How do you think I ended up here?


1,060 posted on 07/13/2004 11:00:10 AM PDT by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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