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Bill Buckley, you and I know the war was a mistake
The Hill ^ | June 28, 04 | Josh Marshall

Posted on 06/29/2004 7:00:20 PM PDT by churchillbuff

“With the benefit of minute hindsight, Saddam Hussein wasn’t the kind of extra-territorial menace that was assumed by the administration one year ago. If I knew then what I know now about what kind of situation we would be in, I would have opposed the war.”

Those words are William F. Buckley’s, from an article in yesterday’s New York Times marking Buckley’s decision to relinquish control of the National Review, the flagship journal of the conservative movement he founded 50 years ago.

Also out on the newsstands now, in The Atlantic Monthly, is an essay Buckley wrote describing his decision to give up sailing after a lifetime covering the world’s oceans and writing about it.

Mortality is the backdrop of both decisions, as the 78-year-old Buckley explains. In the Atlantic essay he describes his decision to abandon the sea as one of assessing whether “the ratio of pleasure to effort [is] holding its own [in sailing]? Or is effort creeping up, pleasure down? … deciding that the time has come to [give up sailing] and forfeit all that is not lightly done … brings to mind the step yet ahead, which is giving up life itself.”

There is certainly no shortage today of people saying the Iraq venture was wrongheaded. But Bill Buckley is Bill Buckley. And perhaps it is uniquely possible for a man at the summit or the sunset of life — choose your metaphor — to state so crisply and precisely what a clear majority of the American public has already decided (54 percent according to the latest Gallup poll): that the president’s Iraq venture was a mistake.

So with the formal end of the occupation now behind us, let’s take stock of the arguments for war and see whether any of them any longer hold up.

• The threat of weapons of mass destruction (WMD).

To the best of our knowledge, the Hussein regime had no stockpiles of WMD on the eve of the war nor any ongoing programs to create them. An article this week in the Financial Times claims that Iraq really was trying to buy uranium from Niger despite all the evidence to the contrary. But new “evidence” appears merely to be unsubstantiated raw intelligence that was wisely discounted by our intelligence agencies at the time.

Advocates of the war still claim that Saddam had “WMD programs.” But they can do so only by using a comically elastic definition of “program” that never would have passed the laugh test if attempted prior to the war.

• The Iraq-al Qaeda link.

To the best of our knowledge, the Hussein regime had no meaningful — or as the recent Sept. 11 Commission staff report put it, “collaborative” — relationship with al Qaeda. In this case too, there’s still a “debate.” Every couple of months we hear of a new finding that someone who may have had a tie to Saddam may have met with someone connected to al Qaeda.

But as in the case of WMD, it’s really mock debate, more of a word game than a serious, open question, and a rather baroque one at that. Mostly, it’s not an evidentiary search but an exercise in finding out whether a few random meetings can be rhetorically leveraged into a “relationship.” If it can, supposedly, a rationale for war is thus salvaged.

The humanitarian argument for the war remains potent — in as much as Saddam’s regime was ruthlessly repressive. But in itself this never would have been an adequate argument to drive the American people to war — and, not surprisingly, the administration never made much of it before its other rationales fell apart.

The broader aim of stimulating a liberalizing and democratizing trend in the Middle East remains an open question — but largely because it rests on unknowables about the future rather than facts that can be proved or disproved about the past. From the vantage point of today, there seems little doubt that the war was destabilizing in the short run or that it has strengthened the hands of radicals in countries like Iran and, arguably though less clearly, Saudi Arabia. The best one can say about the prospects for democracy in Iraq itself is that there are some hopeful signs, but the overall outlook seems extremely iffy.

Surveying the whole political landscape, it is clear that a large factor in keeping support for the war as high as it is is the deep partisan political divide in the country, which makes opposing the war tantamount to opposing its author, President Bush, a step most Republicans simply aren’t willing to take.

At a certain point, for many, conflicts become self-justifying. We fight our enemies because our enemies are fighting us, quite apart from whether we should have gotten ourselves into the quarrel in the first place.

But picking apart the reasons why we got into Iraq in the first place and comparing what the administration said in 2002 with what we know in 2004, it is increasingly difficult not to conclude, as a majority of the American public and that founding father of modern conservatism have now concluded, that the whole enterprise was a mistake.


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To: ican'tbelieveit

Talk about beating a dead dog!


821 posted on 06/30/2004 5:04:05 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Petronski

Agreed. His should not be ripping off Winston Churchill. He is glomming onto a man who knew how to inspire and how to fight a war. His name should be "buff"


822 posted on 06/30/2004 5:05:45 PM PDT by dennisw (http://www.prophetofdoom.net/)
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To: Howlin
I swear, I think this one just isn't getting enough attention at home!

Let's take up a collection for a plastic blow up doll. These are also great if he wants to drive in the HOV lane.

823 posted on 06/30/2004 5:09:17 PM PDT by dennisw (http://www.prophetofdoom.net/)
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To: dennisw; CWOJackson
Chief and I (and others)
have taken to calling him
Chamberlainbuff.

Much more suiting.


824 posted on 06/30/2004 5:09:40 PM PDT by Petronski (Fairness is fiction.)
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To: churchillbuff
So, like Bill Clinton, you would have left Osama bin Laden in Sudan, even though the Sudanese offered him up to us on a plate.

Will you get any royalties for your ghost writing duties?


825 posted on 06/30/2004 5:10:51 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: Petronski
Very fitting. Chamberpot would also work.

chamberpot n : a receptacle for urination or defecation in the bedroom [syn: potty, thunder mug]

826 posted on 06/30/2004 5:14:40 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker

"Thunder mug?"


LOL


827 posted on 06/30/2004 5:15:59 PM PDT by Petronski (Fairness is fiction.)
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To: Dane
Yes! P.J. Buchanan, thy name is chamberlainbuff!
828 posted on 06/30/2004 5:18:57 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: Petronski

Yeah, I liked that one too.


829 posted on 06/30/2004 5:20:08 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker

LOL! Chamberpot does think that what he posts on FR does not stink.


830 posted on 06/30/2004 5:24:35 PM PDT by Dane
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To: churchillbuff
If you answer no to the question I posed, you are intellectually dishonest.

Our troops in Afghanistan, haven't forgotten about Osama, and neither have many of us. Attacking both Afghanistan and the enabling country of Iraq was absolutely necessary, and sent a message to terrorists and terrorist nations everywhere that America was serious about defeating them.

There isn't a doubt in my mind that FINALLY holding Iraq accountable for all their broken agreements made as a result of the Gulf War, it weakened both the will and the ability of the terrorists to continue to garner financial and other support and to organize efforts against the United States. History will prove you wrong.

I say this as a person who opposed the Gulf War. However, once we were there, I wanted to win and in fact believe that we withdrew too early, which is one of the reasons we had to go back a second time. The latter part of that comment, interestingly, was a point also made recently by the current President Bush.

Also, once that war began I stopped publicly(on talk radio)but not privately, arguing against the war. It is clear to me, from the Viet Nam War, what such disagreements do to the morale of our soldiers.

In a way you are telling our soldiers that the the loss of lives and injuries they have suffered, as well as the many sacrifices they and their families made/make, are in vain.

831 posted on 06/30/2004 5:41:36 PM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH ( A vote for George Bush is a principled vote!)
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To: Merdoug
If every illegal wants to marry an American citizen to get here LEGALLY...

It is not legal for an illegal alien to marry a citizen for the purpose of circumventing immigration laws.

832 posted on 06/30/2004 5:44:46 PM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: churchillbuff
Hi, I just FReeped you my address so you can send comedy movies for shipment to Bagram or can send cash, check, money order (or next week paypal) for me to get the movies and/or the popcorn.

Let me know!

Cheers!
Patty

References provided upon request.

833 posted on 06/30/2004 5:46:15 PM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: BykrBayb

I'm not surprised. It won't be long before our beloved Federal government mandates when we can go to the bathroom.


834 posted on 06/30/2004 5:49:07 PM PDT by Merdoug
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To: HenryLeeII
Yes, Hussein had portable laboratories in huge trucks which he moved around the country to avoid inspectors. This was reported on the MSNBC and FOX News channels and I believe there were several articles about this topic posted on FR.

I am sure once the war began it was easy to drive those trucks right into Syria. What say ye?

835 posted on 06/30/2004 5:51:29 PM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH ( A vote for George Bush is a principled vote!)
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To: Petronski

Oh, I love that picture! Thanks for posting it!


836 posted on 06/30/2004 5:52:35 PM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH ( A vote for George Bush is a principled vote!)
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To: TOUGH STOUGH
you are intellectually dishonest.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

Move to the head of the class!

837 posted on 06/30/2004 5:56:53 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: patriciaruth

:-)


838 posted on 06/30/2004 6:01:31 PM PDT by SerpentDove (November 2004: Win One for the Gipper.)
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To: gipper81
I don't need to look it up...I remember it as if it was yesterday.Your remembrances of this,are correct.In his later years,Goldwater became an embarrassment to Republicans and Conservatives of every stripe.It was painful to hear or read his off the wall "new" positions.
839 posted on 06/30/2004 6:07:11 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Do ya think his wife will lead Buckley around to Democrat venues this year, like Brady's wife has been doing since he got shot in the head?


840 posted on 06/30/2004 6:09:58 PM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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