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Bill Buckley, you and I know the war was a mistake
The Hill ^ | June 28, 04 | Josh Marshall

Posted on 06/29/2004 7:00:20 PM PDT by churchillbuff

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To: churchillbuff
The troops in Afghanistan, fighting Al Quiada and taliban, have been avenging 9-11. Iraq wasn't behind 9-11, so the invasion wasn't "avenging" 9-11. I honor all our troops - - - unlike you, I want them deployed only against enemies who constitute an imminent danger to the United States. Iraq wasn't in that category, as more and more people are now acknowledging (WF Buckley's just the latest)

Oh that's correct, saddam's Iraq was just a peaceful benign entity harming nobody, per chamberlainbuff, michael moore, and the demos.

You all should really should stop smoking whatever it is your smoking, that whacks you out of reality like that, IMO.

721 posted on 06/30/2004 3:22:45 PM PDT by Dane
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To: churchillbuff
...does not, in and of itself, provide grounds for sending US troops into harm's way.

Yes, but I did not say that. It is one of the favorite strawmen of the handwringing class, though, so I understand your use of it.

722 posted on 06/30/2004 3:22:55 PM PDT by Petronski (Fairness is fiction.)
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To: Dane
Oh that's correct, saddam's Iraq was just a peaceful benign entity harming nobody

You twist my words. I was replying to your suggestion that we invaded Iraq to "avenge" 9-11. Iraq wasn't behind 9-11. Nobody says they were -- and the fact that Saddam was a dictator and a bad guy doesn't change that. So the invasion didn't "avenge" 9-11.

723 posted on 06/30/2004 3:24:32 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
I also hope Bush does not get voted out. Perhaps I am naive, but I'm glad we have a president who took what he felt was appropriate action given the facts at hand at the time. I still believe it was the right thing to do. Time will tell.

I'm voting for Bush also "in spite of" - you and I just have a different set of "in spite of's" ;-).

Have a great 4th!
724 posted on 06/30/2004 3:25:10 PM PDT by handy (Leahy you, you Clymer!)
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To: ican'tbelieveit
This speculation about whether we should have taken this action or not, while we still have troops in harms way, troops rotating in and out of the region is so out of line.

It's disgusting and traitorous. It's stupid. It's self indulgent. What can't the naysayers just just the heck up and let other Americans get on with this tough job? 

This war cannot be undone. Sure it's harder than I thought and than GWBush thought. So what? What happened to American pride where you tough it out and keep punching away? This is just so much trashy looser-ism.

Every Islamic enemy loves to hear Americans saying the war was a mistake. They love such weakness of character.

725 posted on 06/30/2004 3:25:36 PM PDT by dennisw (http://www.prophetofdoom.net/)
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To: Petronski
favorite strawmen

Sorry, but the idea that our troops should be deployed only in defense of our own interests is not a strawman, it is a basic, historic tenet of American conservatism.

726 posted on 06/30/2004 3:26:18 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

Over 10 Congressmen have kids in Iraq or Afghanistan and Ashcroft too has a son in Iraq. You have consistently ignored that little tidbit until you were hit over the head with it repeatedly and then you dropped it.


727 posted on 06/30/2004 3:26:42 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: dennisw
What can't the naysayers just just the heck up

I assume you mean "shut the heck up". That's also what Saddam insisted on in his country - - people who disagreed had to "shut the heck up."

728 posted on 06/30/2004 3:27:30 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: Peach
Over 10 Congressmen have kids in Iraq or Afghanistan

Please name them. I want to know.

729 posted on 06/30/2004 3:28:17 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
You twist my words

Well you should know as you are the expert in twisting real world words and facts to justify your whacked out world view ala michael moore.

730 posted on 06/30/2004 3:28:30 PM PDT by Dane
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To: churchillbuff
The strawman was in bold. I never said the reason you cited was sufficient 'in and of itself.' You added that for misdirection. But you knew that too.
731 posted on 06/30/2004 3:29:57 PM PDT by Petronski (Fairness is fiction.)
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To: churchillbuff

And EVERY SINGLE intelligence agency on the planet said he had them. We know he had them. He used them. He could have let the UN have unfettered access. He didn't. He continuously blocked them.

As well, you are forgetting Powell's audio tapes we go from Iraq from human intel. Iraqi's saying things like "erase the words nerve agent" from all paperwork. "Block the UN until the building is clear", etc.

Your continuous mention of ONE person, Kay, means nothing. The mention of the UN WMD inspector who says he is finding Iraqi WMD all across the globe evidentally means nothing to you either. YOu cherry pick what information you wish to believe.

And I see you still can't quote anyone in the administration who said it would be a cakewalk. Neither can anyone in the leftist media but that hasn't stopped them either.

And I see you still can't deny that we were greeted as liberators and with flowers and hugs by many Iraqis, but you keep pretending otherwise.

You're a plant.


732 posted on 06/30/2004 3:30:23 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: SerpentDove
No misunderstanding here, I don't think.
I figured you were not opposed to the Iraq War. :^D

733 posted on 06/30/2004 3:30:46 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Call me the Will Rogers voter: I never met a Democrat I didn't like - to vote OUT OF POWER !)
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To: Dane

I figured you would resort to name-calling instead of trying to respond to my point. I've got your number. Arguing with a play-ground sand-kicker isn't my idea of stimulating, so I'll sign off from our "discussion". Have a wonderful holiday weekend.


734 posted on 06/30/2004 3:30:58 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

BS!!!!

You were given their names last month!!! I was on those threads, which I didn't save. You are a DNC plant. A troublemaker. A whiner.


735 posted on 06/30/2004 3:31:43 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
A troublemaker. A whiner.

Being called a "whiner" by somebody who posts profanity (even if only with initials "B-") is being called black by the pot!

736 posted on 06/30/2004 3:33:05 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: dennisw

Yeah, well, when I watch what my friend is going thru now, I personally want to take some military action against those saying we should not have gone in. He can accept the left saying this; he knows what they are about. But for people on the right, the people he associates with, to question what he did, rips his heart out.

And not only do I think we did the absolute right thing (can you imagine the handwringing if Saddam had attacked us, and we hadn't "pre-empted" it, considering all of the whining about 9/11), I think we should have done this a decade ago.


737 posted on 06/30/2004 3:33:12 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: churchillbuff
I figured you would resort to name-calling instead of trying to respond to my point.

Uh, I didn't call you a name, I gave my opinion of your stance and my opinion is that you have the same whacked out world view as michael moore(i.e saddam's Iraq was a benign entity).

738 posted on 06/30/2004 3:33:40 PM PDT by Dane
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To: churchillbuff

Bump


739 posted on 06/30/2004 3:34:44 PM PDT by bad company (free Iran)
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To: churchillbuff

You are pretending you don't remember those threads where you were given names of Congressmen with kids in the active military and specifically the Middle East.

You are a liar and BS today is hardly considered profanity but I know to your tender sensibilities it may be harsh.


740 posted on 06/30/2004 3:35:07 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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