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Bill Buckley, you and I know the war was a mistake
The Hill ^ | June 28, 04 | Josh Marshall

Posted on 06/29/2004 7:00:20 PM PDT by churchillbuff

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To: Torie
Where are all the WMD's gone?

Et tu Torie?

Most are in Syria, some are scattered about in Iraqi ratholes.

The CIA has the pictures of the trucks moving from Iraq to Syria on the eve of the war.

Of course, one might believe that Saddam Hussein really did destroy all those weapons and weapon programs but brought down the wrath of the US of A on his ass just to spite George Bush. One might believe that if one were really reaching. I don't believe it for a minute.

201 posted on 06/29/2004 8:04:00 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Moonman62

No,he hasn't been.


202 posted on 06/29/2004 8:04:52 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Torie

It's hard to blame Bush for that episode on the aircraft carrier. He was basing his actions on what he was told by the civlian morons in the Pentagon who executed this war in the first place. You know -- the ones who said the U.S. would be welcomed "with open arms" in Iraq, and even speculated that the U.S. could win the war with anywhere from 0 (no joke) to 30,000 troops on the ground?


203 posted on 06/29/2004 8:05:32 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium . . . sed ego sum homo indomitus")
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To: churchillbuff
The war was the right thing for the wrong reasons. WMD's were a stupid reason. Iraqi Freedom/Nation Building was even more stupid. But taking the fight to the terrorist enemy was a d--n good reason and always will be. Saddam openly financed Palestinian terrorists. He tried to assassinate a President and he violated the terms of his surrender. He could have been taken down on those terms without any excuse or pretense.
204 posted on 06/29/2004 8:05:52 PM PDT by Theophilus (Save Little Democrats, Stop Abortion)
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To: churchillbuff

Hey, Saddam is still alive and over there, why dont you suggest he be reinstalled.


I am ashamed of Buckley on this,he should be ashamed


205 posted on 06/29/2004 8:05:55 PM PDT by woofie ( Ya gotta know who ya is and who ya aint ...cause if ya dont know who ya aint ,ya aint who ya is.)
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To: churchillbuff

Bill Buckley is also a Catholic. So now it is time I give up being a Baptist?


206 posted on 06/29/2004 8:05:58 PM PDT by Zechariah11 ("so they weighed for my hire thirty pieces of silver")
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To: veronica

Buckley supported the war when it counted. In the real world, leaders have no assurance that their plans--however well-made--will be realized exactly as they wish.

The President does the best he can, prays, and leads. Buckley followed when it counted. Good for him.


207 posted on 06/29/2004 8:06:13 PM PDT by svoboda2004
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To: PoorMuttly
What criminal enterprise, when it is conspicuously, publicly warned that long, would not move the goods elsewhere, off the property, then sit home playing tiddly-winks until the bad policemen got there?

If the Chem agents in Powells speech were all there were, two guys in a cargo van could have moved the whole cache from Baghdad to Damascus in just over 60 days.

That 25,000l of Anthrax? If kept in liquid form, it would all fit in a single 10' by 11' room...the closet if dried.

Then there's the other "no WMDs" argument: That a warehouse full of production materials, across the street from a dual use facility which requires only a couple of minor changes to produce chem agents, with the required components kept in a scientists home, and a military depot with empty specialized warheads to hold the agents doesn't compromise WMDs.

208 posted on 06/29/2004 8:06:18 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: churchillbuff

Ditto


209 posted on 06/29/2004 8:06:23 PM PDT by AUH2OY2K
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To: Torie
Spot on. Buckley makes his judgement using hindsight. That is fine as far as it goes. However, one cannot gainsay the fact that 25 million Iraqis are free to choose their own path at long last.

That makes all the difference, to me.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

210 posted on 06/29/2004 8:06:24 PM PDT by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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To: Torie
Where are all the WMD's gone?

Libya. The scientists running that program were Iraqi. Saddam was busy outsourcing.

211 posted on 06/29/2004 8:06:34 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: Alberta's Child
Ah, you're an engineer.

Engineers are trained NOT to read between the lines. Engineers are trained NOT to conclude it's an elephant in between if shown a picture of a trunk and a tail.

Buildings fall down if every t isn't crossed and every i dotted in fact finding.

Love ya, Alberta; but when you finally do get all the facts in 5, 10, 20 years, you'll find you missed the boat.

212 posted on 06/29/2004 8:06:37 PM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: Alberta's Child
If George W. Bush had known in May 2003 that there was any chance in hell that the events in Iraq of the last 12 months would unfold as they have, do you think he would have even dreamed of that silly "Mission Accomplished" act on the deck of the aircraft carrier?

Who cares?

Did any serious person take him to mean anything other than that the Baathist regime in Iraq had been toppled from power?

This is a war on terror. Saddam Hussein was a state supporter of terror. He had a turn-key WMD operation, and at least some of the WMDs that he was not supposed to possess. We are in an era of pre-emption. We pre-empted a lot of evil when we toppled Saddam, just as Israel pre-empted a lot of evil when they bombed the Osirak reactor in 1981.

While I happen to believe that the experiment in Iraqi democracy will fail, I don't begrudge the President for making the attempt. When the Iraqis fail at democracy, the real enemy will be more clearly understood: Mohammedanism.


213 posted on 06/29/2004 8:06:42 PM PDT by Sabertooth (Mohammedanism is an evil empire.)
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To: MurryMom
So you disagree with the Bush-Wolfowitz rationale that the war was all about enforcing a resolution of the U.N.?

Hmmm, Bush is for the war because he's for a U.N. resolution.

That's like saying you disagree with killing people because it's against the law.

214 posted on 06/29/2004 8:06:45 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Alberta's Child

You do know that we lost 5 times that number of troops in one day on D-Day don't you? We lost 6 times that many troops taking Iwo Jima in 3 days.


215 posted on 06/29/2004 8:06:49 PM PDT by Texasforever (When Kerry was asked what kind of tree he would like to be he answered…. Al Gore.)
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To: churchillbuff
We can't invade every tyrant in the world...

Is that a direct quote from Kerry, or your own variation?

216 posted on 06/29/2004 8:06:56 PM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Soul Seeker

U.S. Launches Program to Fly Illegal Mexicans Home
Reuters via Yahoo ^ | Jun 29, 2004 | Deborah Charles


Posted on 06/29/2004 4:41:36 PM PDT by Max Combined


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (news - web sites) will start flying some illegal Mexican migrants to their hometowns next month as part of a controversial program aimed at reducing illegal immigration.

Homeland Security undersecretary Asa Hutchinson said on Tuesday that the U.S. and Mexican governments had reached an agreement for a pilot program to repatriate illegals found in the Arizona-Sonoran desert region.



217 posted on 06/29/2004 8:07:41 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: churchillbuff
Deeper thoughts:

War in the Absence of Strategic Clarity "More than merely winning the war in Iraq, we needed to stun the Arab World."

No Way to Run a War "The Democrats are guilty of ideological confusion and the Republicans of disdain for reflection."

218 posted on 06/29/2004 8:08:38 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: Merdoug

Right on.


219 posted on 06/29/2004 8:08:39 PM PDT by AUH2OY2K
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read tomorrow


220 posted on 06/29/2004 8:09:03 PM PDT by Constitution Day (Member, Burger-Eating War Monkeys, Rapid Response Digital Brown Shirts, NLC™)
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