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To: The Grammarian

Well, the facts do -- particularly when opposing scholars are shills for totalitarian, you-must-believe-The-Church-{tm}-not-your-lying-eyes sects.

Truth isn't settled by majority vote (John 17:17).

Dan


133 posted on 06/25/2004 4:53:01 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr
Well, the facts do -- particularly when opposing scholars are shills for totalitarian, you-must-believe-The-Church-{tm}-not-your-lying-eyes sects.

Which "totalitarian" sects are you thinking of? The article provided quotes a scholar within the intensely "believe-what-you-think-right-not-what-others-do" sect called The Christian Church (an immersionist, anti-paedobaptist sect) as saying that there is no Greek word for immersion used in the NT. Not only that, but it is a disservice to the majority of Protestant sects to say that they are "totalitarian" when it comes to things as minor to them (as is the case with Methodists, Episcopalians and Presbyterians, among others) as the mode of baptism. I would argue that it is the Baptist and immersionist strain of Christianity (of Protestantism, even, though they hate that label) that is totalitarian. A Baptist who thinks that baptism is by aspersion (pouring/sprinkling) is out on his butt in no time--a Methodist who thinks that baptism is by immersion is just as accepted as one who believes baptism is by aspersion.

Truth isn't settled by majority vote (John 17:17).

And yet, "Whatever is new is not true," to quote John Wesley on newness of doctrine. Which has older roots, older evidence? The article I provided indicates that the most ancient Greek churches used baptismal fonts too small for immersion and made sacred art of John baptizing on the banks of the Jordan by pouring water over Jesus' head.

136 posted on 06/25/2004 12:22:50 PM PDT by The Grammarian (It is true that love can sometimes kill, but hatred can never save.)
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