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Terrorism: We should take a clue from our immune system [Feverish lib alert]
Seattle P-I ^ | 6/20/2004 | John R. van Eewyck

Posted on 06/22/2004 11:44:53 PM PDT by jennyp

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At first this sounded intriguing - comparing anti-terrorism defenses to our immune systems. But as he applied his analogy of the immune system to terrorism, it just got more & more hilarious.
1 posted on 06/22/2004 11:44:53 PM PDT by jennyp
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To: PatrickHenry

Science thread PING? Badly-mixed-metaphors PING?


2 posted on 06/22/2004 11:46:05 PM PDT by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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Certifiable insanity ping, perhaps?


3 posted on 06/22/2004 11:49:12 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Islam delenda est)
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Since liberals attack and weaken our military with callous ease, could it be argued, using this analogy that Liberalism is not unlike the AIDs virus? Latching on, attacking and weakening our defences? Wacky liberals should be careful of the analagy they use.
I do not know whom I detest more as a group, muslim fanatics, or left leaning liberals
4 posted on 06/22/2004 11:51:00 PM PDT by McCloud-Strife
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Cells deconstruct either by necrosis or apoptosis. In necrosis, their membranes are breached and their contents leak out into surrounding tissue. Unfortunately, in the case of a viral infection, this serves to spread the disease. Not a happy outcome. In death by apoptosis, however, the cell self-destructs by collapsing into itself. All within is nicely contained.

As a metaphor for fighting terrorism, necrosis is the equivalent of infiltrating and exploding a terrorist cell. Terrorists who are killed would very likely qualify as martyrs. ...

Apoptosis, however, causes collapse from within. Nothing leaks out. Infections don't spread. What would this look like in the fight against terrorism? Encounters between terrorists and those willing to engage them would mix ideas, ideals and values. They would oscillate and resonate with one another.

Those who dialogue with the terrorists might begin to understand the frustration and alienation that drives them to operate outside the system. They might be moved to intervene on behalf of those who have no voice and no power. They might be willing to work toward more equitable distribution of resources. No matter what the outcome, the openness to another that dialogue requires is a powerful force for overcoming isolation and alienation.

You canNOT make up stuff like this!
5 posted on 06/22/2004 11:52:40 PM PDT by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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Well, maybe there is something to it: we have a sort of an infection, and a big abscess. Surely it is time to lance it and squeeze the pus out.


6 posted on 06/23/2004 12:02:06 AM PDT by GSlob
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Sounds right to me ..... definitely Certifiable insanity .... :)

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7 posted on 06/23/2004 12:06:10 AM PDT by Neil E. Wright (An oath is FOREVER)
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Those who dialogue with the terrorists might begin to understand the frustration and alienation that drives them to operate outside the system.

Yo' liberals! You don't 'dialoge' with rabid dogs, you shoot them!

8 posted on 06/23/2004 12:16:37 AM PDT by Looking4Truth (NEVER trust Muslims to keep their word.)
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Yeah. I liked his description of antibodies as unthinking matchmakers. But one thing he missed entirely in his description of the immune system: As I understand it, once the immune cells release their antibodies to "establish a relationship" with the foreign cells or virii, don't both of them get flushed out of the system, or broken down by killer enzymes, or something? It would be analogous to, ah, western peace activists wearing flourescent T-shirts emblazoned with "HUMAN SHIELD" covering the terrorists with their bodies, all the while American sharpshooters roam the neighborhood on the lookout for masses of bright fluorescent T-shirts...


9 posted on 06/23/2004 12:22:22 AM PDT by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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OMG what an idiot. ROFLMAO! Thanks for the laugh.

LBT

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10 posted on 06/23/2004 12:43:22 AM PDT by LiberalBassTurds (Al Qaeda needs to know we are fluent in the "dialogue of bullets.")
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Yep. This guy understands neither the war against radical Islamists nor the immune system. When people try to talk about one topic they know nothing about, they sound stupid. When they try to talk about two things they know nothing about and tie them together, they end up sounding twice as stupid.


11 posted on 06/23/2004 12:46:50 AM PDT by monkeyman81
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A good analogy is in my tagline =>


12 posted on 06/23/2004 1:45:03 AM PDT by broadsword (Liberalism is the societal AIDS virus that thwarts our national defense systems.)
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To: VadeRetro; jennyp; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Physicist; LogicWings; Doctor Stochastic; ..
Jennyp thinks this is worth a PING. [This list is for the evolution side of evolution threads, and some other science topics like cosmology. FReepmail me to be added or dropped.]
13 posted on 06/23/2004 7:40:58 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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The author forgot to work into his hypothesis something regarding the preservation of our precious bodily fluids.
14 posted on 06/23/2004 7:48:45 AM PDT by longshadow
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QUESTION OF THE DAY:

If you are on a hijacked plane, what should you do?

LIBERAL ANSWER: "engage in dialogues about the foundations of civilized society -- civil liberties, an independent judiciary, representation, a voice in government policy, equality, justice."

CONSERVATIVE ANSWER: "Let's roll."



15 posted on 06/23/2004 7:51:00 AM PDT by Our man in washington
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If we are truly concerned with defending ourselves, perhaps we should emulate the oldest, most versatile and highly complex defensive network known, the human immune system....Innate immunity uses phagocytes ("cell devourers") and "natural killer" cells to eliminate molecules that the complement system "identifies" as threats....The molecules of the immune system are hardly in battle. Their component atoms simply combine and recombine.

So we should reuse the molecules of terrorists by...eating them?

I hate it when people pull up short on their own analogies.

16 posted on 06/23/2004 7:56:15 AM PDT by general_re (Drive offensively - the life you save may be your own.)
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Actually, there is much to learn from the health analogy: the most effective way to prevent the spread of a communicable disease which we don't fully understand, or for which there is no vaccine, is to quarantine the victims/known carriers, and to use all available measures to destroy known or suspected pathogens.

Hence, we should quarantine all known or suspected carriers of the Islamist disease, which includes all Muslims who do not take active and affirmative measures to demonstrate they are not infected. Isolate them in their countries or remote areas outside of civilization to see if the pathology develops or not. Wherever it appears, we need to eliminate it and disinfect the area. Fire, if hot enough, will kill most pathogens.

17 posted on 06/23/2004 7:57:53 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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Thanks for the ping!


18 posted on 06/23/2004 8:04:12 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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When they try to talk about two things they know nothing about and tie them together, they end up sounding twice as stupid.

At the risk of sounding twice as stupid, I think there is merit in thinking about the terrorism conundrum in biological terms. I liked the squeezing-the-puss-out-of-the-boil analogy. LOL

19 posted on 06/23/2004 8:11:09 AM PDT by Ben Chad
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So we should reuse the molecules of terrorists by...eating them?

In three easy steps:

1. Kill terrorists.

2. Feed terrorist corpse to pig.

3. Eat pig.

20 posted on 06/23/2004 8:14:49 AM PDT by aculeus
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