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Terrorism: We should take a clue from our immune system [Feverish lib alert]
Seattle P-I ^ | 6/20/2004 | John R. van Eewyck

Posted on 06/22/2004 11:44:53 PM PDT by jennyp

Is the war on terrorism, with its pre-emptive strikes, extrajudicial assassination and imprisonment without charges, succeeding? We haven't been attacked since 9/11. But things don't seem to be going that well in Iraq, Osama bin Laden is still at large (or so we are told), and international terrorist cells seem alive and well. Is our strategy the best? Are there others that might be more effective?

If we are truly concerned with defending ourselves, perhaps we should emulate the oldest, most versatile and highly complex defensive network known, the human immune system. Eons of challenges have generated highly sophisticated components that interact with one another to identify threats, share information, regulate responses and clean up the damage.

Popular accounts of the immune system often employ battle metaphors. Innate immunity uses phagocytes ("cell devourers") and "natural killer" cells to eliminate molecules that the complement system "identifies" as threats. Adaptive immunity utilizes the major histocompatibility complex to "expose" viruses that have infected cells. T and B cells "recognize" and "engage" the "enemy," either "killing" it outright or "alerting" other components of the immune system to do the job. No wonder we feel like we are "fighting something off" when our immune systems become active.

The molecules of the immune system are hardly in battle. Their component atoms simply combine and recombine. Consequently, the dynamics of the immune system at the molecular level resemble serendipity rather than warfare. Molecules interact when compatible chemical interfaces "attract" them to one another. Old combinations are transformed into new ones. In the balance between energy and matter, nothing is lost. The operant paradigm is less one of conflict than of relationship.

The relational paradigm

For example, B cells create antibodies, which epitomize relationship and transformation as they identify and engage pathogens (a disparaging term from the Greek, meaning suffering or disease). And yet, what are pathogens if not collections of molecules looking for other molecules with which to interact? It is of little consequence to the molecules themselves if their relationships unsettle us.

Antibodies are the matchmakers of the immune system. Shaped like a "Y," one end mutates rapidly to find the right combination to interact with the pathogen. Once engaged, the other end attracts additional components of the immune system to neutralize the pathogen. Thus, antibodies bring pathogens into relationship with other elements of the immune system, with the result that both are transformed.

That's hardly a conflict/battle view of immunity. Pathogens do not "intend" to "destroy" the organism. B cells do not "intend" to "protect" the organism from "pathogens." Those words -- our own projections onto their activities -- are highly conditioned by the stake we have in the outcome. B cells simply do what they have evolved to do. It's all mechanical and automatic. As far as we know, B cells do not think at all. They simply interact.

Society antibodies

While citizens of a country may form a body politic, their interactions are analogous to molecules. So, how might responses to terrorism modeled on molecular interactions operate? For one thing, they would be less adversarial than relational. They would also be oriented less toward destruction than toward transformation. Finally, survival would be a function of relationship.

A "B-cell response" to terrorism would function at the level of ordinary citizens, where diversity is the societal counterpart of rapid mutation. The mediating role of antibodies would be reflected in our natural inclinations to engage in dialogues about the foundations of civilized society -- civil liberties, an independent judiciary, representation, a voice in government policy, equality, justice.

As a result, both sides -- those who are part of the society and those who are not -- could better know and understand each other. Like the chemical interactions between molecules, both would be transformed.

Terrorist cell transformation

This hardly sounds adversarial. But would it work? Would it protect the organism, i.e., the nation or the community? Most likely. There is little debate about the advantages of communities where people know and interact with each other. But, what about actual terrorists?

Can an immunological approach really neutralize the threat? We have seen how rapid mutation, engagement and relationship might work. But, what about the counterpart of natural killer cells, macrophages and membrane attack complexes? Certainly, calling in the F-16s to bomb terrorists generates transformation. But, like hitting mercury with a hammer, it also spreads the disease.

The immune system has solved that problem. Cells deconstruct either by necrosis or apoptosis. In necrosis, their membranes are breached and their contents leak out into surrounding tissue. Unfortunately, in the case of a viral infection, this serves to spread the disease. Not a happy outcome. In death by apoptosis, however, the cell self-destructs by collapsing into itself. All within is nicely contained.

As a metaphor for fighting terrorism, necrosis is the equivalent of infiltrating and exploding a terrorist cell. Terrorists who are killed would very likely qualify as martyrs. Those who escape may be even more committed to imposing brutality on others. Ordinary citizens who may have been sympathetic to their cause, but were reluctant to join, might become radicalized -- infected, if you like. Either way, the very means used to neutralize the "disease" serves to spread it.

Apoptosis, however, causes collapse from within. Nothing leaks out. Infections don't spread. What would this look like in the fight against terrorism? Encounters between terrorists and those willing to engage them would mix ideas, ideals and values. They would oscillate and resonate with one another.

Those who dialogue with the terrorists might begin to understand the frustration and alienation that drives them to operate outside the system. They might be moved to intervene on behalf of those who have no voice and no power. They might be willing to work toward more equitable distribution of resources. No matter what the outcome, the openness to another that dialogue requires is a powerful force for overcoming isolation and alienation.

That alone would help to neutralize the forces that give rise to terrorism. B-cell approaches to terrorism would bring those who have become so alienated that they perceive their only voice to be that of violence into contact with those who embrace the basic values of a free, democratic society. As society and terrorist engage each other, potentials for both to be transformed increase.

An immunological model would define societies least able to defend themselves as those that are the least differentiated and the most restrictive of their members' contact with others. When different values and perspectives cannot be engaged in dialogue, the potential for transformation is lost.

Societal autoimmune disorders

Furthermore, governments that perceive their citizens to be the enemy operate like autoimmune disorders that lack the ability to discriminate their own cells from pathogens. Thus, they attack their own citizens in the name of self-defense. They undermine civil liberties because they perceive them to be a threat.

The McCarthy hearings of the '50s are an excellent example of this kind of confusion. Likewise, the purges in Stalinist Russia and the Cultural Revolution in China. Today, anyone who downloads an aerial photo from the U.S. Geodesic Survey Internet site will be, in the words of Rep. Christopher Shays, chairman of the House subcommittee on national security, "part of a government file." Thusly does the defense become the threat.

Fighting terrorism

Perhaps it would be naïve to expect societies and governments to adopt approaches employed by supposedly mindless molecules. Nevertheless, the complexity of the immune system, whose sole mission is survival, exceeds anything we've created. In fact, where health is concerned, it's more conscious than we are. Furthermore, everything that we do, including writing and reading this column, is a function of molecular biology. Could that which generates all human thought and emotion serve as a paradigm for our behavior in the world?

From the psychological perspective, our relationships are quite analogous to molecular biology. We like encountering one another. We enjoy interacting, sharing ideas and emotions, and being transformed by other's perspectives. We feel protected by friendship. Love increases our resilience.

Alfred Adler believed that security is a function not of power but of gemeindeschaaftsgefuhl, or "community feeling." Carl Jung held that biology leaves its traces in the images that the mind constructs. If so, then humankind's inherent desire for relationship may be a reflection of -- among other things -- molecular biology. Perhaps those of us who lose this desire are what we call "terrorists." If so, their attempts to force themselves upon us through violent means may be a bizarre attempt to regain the kind of relationship that the immune system exemplifies.

If we want to improve their relational health, we may have to be willing to initiate contacts, dialogues and relationships. The responsibility for entering into relationships lies with those who can do it. For those who are willing to entertain such an approach to fighting terrorism, the molecular biology of the immune system serves as a paradigm to show us how.

The Rev. John R. Van Eenwyk is an Episcopal priest, clinical psychologist and founder and clinical director of the International Trauma Treatment Program.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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At first this sounded intriguing - comparing anti-terrorism defenses to our immune systems. But as he applied his analogy of the immune system to terrorism, it just got more & more hilarious.
1 posted on 06/22/2004 11:44:53 PM PDT by jennyp
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To: PatrickHenry

Science thread PING? Badly-mixed-metaphors PING?


2 posted on 06/22/2004 11:46:05 PM PDT by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: jennyp

Certifiable insanity ping, perhaps?


3 posted on 06/22/2004 11:49:12 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Islam delenda est)
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Since liberals attack and weaken our military with callous ease, could it be argued, using this analogy that Liberalism is not unlike the AIDs virus? Latching on, attacking and weakening our defences? Wacky liberals should be careful of the analagy they use.
I do not know whom I detest more as a group, muslim fanatics, or left leaning liberals
4 posted on 06/22/2004 11:51:00 PM PDT by McCloud-Strife
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To: jennyp

Cells deconstruct either by necrosis or apoptosis. In necrosis, their membranes are breached and their contents leak out into surrounding tissue. Unfortunately, in the case of a viral infection, this serves to spread the disease. Not a happy outcome. In death by apoptosis, however, the cell self-destructs by collapsing into itself. All within is nicely contained.

As a metaphor for fighting terrorism, necrosis is the equivalent of infiltrating and exploding a terrorist cell. Terrorists who are killed would very likely qualify as martyrs. ...

Apoptosis, however, causes collapse from within. Nothing leaks out. Infections don't spread. What would this look like in the fight against terrorism? Encounters between terrorists and those willing to engage them would mix ideas, ideals and values. They would oscillate and resonate with one another.

Those who dialogue with the terrorists might begin to understand the frustration and alienation that drives them to operate outside the system. They might be moved to intervene on behalf of those who have no voice and no power. They might be willing to work toward more equitable distribution of resources. No matter what the outcome, the openness to another that dialogue requires is a powerful force for overcoming isolation and alienation.

You canNOT make up stuff like this!
5 posted on 06/22/2004 11:52:40 PM PDT by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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Well, maybe there is something to it: we have a sort of an infection, and a big abscess. Surely it is time to lance it and squeeze the pus out.


6 posted on 06/23/2004 12:02:06 AM PDT by GSlob
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Sounds right to me ..... definitely Certifiable insanity .... :)

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7 posted on 06/23/2004 12:06:10 AM PDT by Neil E. Wright (An oath is FOREVER)
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Those who dialogue with the terrorists might begin to understand the frustration and alienation that drives them to operate outside the system.

Yo' liberals! You don't 'dialoge' with rabid dogs, you shoot them!

8 posted on 06/23/2004 12:16:37 AM PDT by Looking4Truth (NEVER trust Muslims to keep their word.)
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Yeah. I liked his description of antibodies as unthinking matchmakers. But one thing he missed entirely in his description of the immune system: As I understand it, once the immune cells release their antibodies to "establish a relationship" with the foreign cells or virii, don't both of them get flushed out of the system, or broken down by killer enzymes, or something? It would be analogous to, ah, western peace activists wearing flourescent T-shirts emblazoned with "HUMAN SHIELD" covering the terrorists with their bodies, all the while American sharpshooters roam the neighborhood on the lookout for masses of bright fluorescent T-shirts...


9 posted on 06/23/2004 12:22:22 AM PDT by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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OMG what an idiot. ROFLMAO! Thanks for the laugh.

LBT

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10 posted on 06/23/2004 12:43:22 AM PDT by LiberalBassTurds (Al Qaeda needs to know we are fluent in the "dialogue of bullets.")
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Yep. This guy understands neither the war against radical Islamists nor the immune system. When people try to talk about one topic they know nothing about, they sound stupid. When they try to talk about two things they know nothing about and tie them together, they end up sounding twice as stupid.


11 posted on 06/23/2004 12:46:50 AM PDT by monkeyman81
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To: jennyp

A good analogy is in my tagline =>


12 posted on 06/23/2004 1:45:03 AM PDT by broadsword (Liberalism is the societal AIDS virus that thwarts our national defense systems.)
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To: VadeRetro; jennyp; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Physicist; LogicWings; Doctor Stochastic; ..
Jennyp thinks this is worth a PING. [This list is for the evolution side of evolution threads, and some other science topics like cosmology. FReepmail me to be added or dropped.]
13 posted on 06/23/2004 7:40:58 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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The author forgot to work into his hypothesis something regarding the preservation of our precious bodily fluids.
14 posted on 06/23/2004 7:48:45 AM PDT by longshadow
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QUESTION OF THE DAY:

If you are on a hijacked plane, what should you do?

LIBERAL ANSWER: "engage in dialogues about the foundations of civilized society -- civil liberties, an independent judiciary, representation, a voice in government policy, equality, justice."

CONSERVATIVE ANSWER: "Let's roll."



15 posted on 06/23/2004 7:51:00 AM PDT by Our man in washington
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If we are truly concerned with defending ourselves, perhaps we should emulate the oldest, most versatile and highly complex defensive network known, the human immune system....Innate immunity uses phagocytes ("cell devourers") and "natural killer" cells to eliminate molecules that the complement system "identifies" as threats....The molecules of the immune system are hardly in battle. Their component atoms simply combine and recombine.

So we should reuse the molecules of terrorists by...eating them?

I hate it when people pull up short on their own analogies.

16 posted on 06/23/2004 7:56:15 AM PDT by general_re (Drive offensively - the life you save may be your own.)
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Actually, there is much to learn from the health analogy: the most effective way to prevent the spread of a communicable disease which we don't fully understand, or for which there is no vaccine, is to quarantine the victims/known carriers, and to use all available measures to destroy known or suspected pathogens.

Hence, we should quarantine all known or suspected carriers of the Islamist disease, which includes all Muslims who do not take active and affirmative measures to demonstrate they are not infected. Isolate them in their countries or remote areas outside of civilization to see if the pathology develops or not. Wherever it appears, we need to eliminate it and disinfect the area. Fire, if hot enough, will kill most pathogens.

17 posted on 06/23/2004 7:57:53 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: PatrickHenry

Thanks for the ping!


18 posted on 06/23/2004 8:04:12 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: monkeyman81
When they try to talk about two things they know nothing about and tie them together, they end up sounding twice as stupid.

At the risk of sounding twice as stupid, I think there is merit in thinking about the terrorism conundrum in biological terms. I liked the squeezing-the-puss-out-of-the-boil analogy. LOL

19 posted on 06/23/2004 8:11:09 AM PDT by Ben Chad
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So we should reuse the molecules of terrorists by...eating them?

In three easy steps:

1. Kill terrorists.

2. Feed terrorist corpse to pig.

3. Eat pig.

20 posted on 06/23/2004 8:14:49 AM PDT by aculeus
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