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To: jeffers
“I haven't forgotten the second major Pak offensive, repeatedly reported as being 20km west of Wana, when all I could find for a week that matched Tiarza and Ladha etc were northeast of Wana instead. I ignored what the data was telling me then and I won't do that again.”

I've had that happen, too, so I use the following approach to avoid this problem. When it comes to place name spellings and locations, I put about 20% trust in media reports and 99% trust in the GEONames data base. When you have such an obvious conflict in location, as the one you cited between the media and the geographic database, one way to resolve this is to Google the city names and see what other reporters and websites have to say about the location. Given enough news stories, one of those idiot reporters is bound to finally get it right.

“The Hasan and Mando tribes seem to either be extensive builders or else at least have a lot of in-laws.”

I'll post a GEONames database list that I customized on all 147 FATA tribes and their location coordinates.

--Boot Hill

854 posted on 08/24/2004 8:01:47 PM PDT by Boot Hill (Candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo, candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo!!!)
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To: Boot Hill

Thanks.

Here's an update:

Hundreds of troops arrive in Bangi Dar

By Pazir Gul


MIRAMSHAH, Aug 24: Hundreds of regular and paramilitary troops have been deployed in Bangi Dar area along the Afghanistan border to check possible incursion
of terrorists from Afghanistan where the US-led Afghan troops have launched an operation against Al Qaeda and Taliban suspects.

Informed sources and witnesses said that the troops had taken up positions in the area and completely sealed the border to stop terrorists from infiltrating into
Pakistan from Afghanistan.

They said the troops were seen heading from Datakhel tehsil towards Bangi Dar and Hassankhel areas. The sources said that three soldiers and a junior
commissioned officer of the army had been wounded in Monday's clash with militants.

They have been identified as Captain Arshad, Naib Subaidar Mardad, Ghulam Qadir and Nek Mohammad. They have been taken to the Combined Military Hospital
in Bannu. The clash left four militants, three of them foreigners, dead. Two terrorists were arrested in the operation.

Paramilitary forces recovered four missiles near the Wana Scouts camp in the South Waziristan tribal region on Tuesday, Dilawar Khan Wazir adds from Wana
quoting informed sources. The missiles had been left near the camp by military.

Residents of the area said two high-intensity explosions rocked Wana on Monday night but there was no report of any casualties. Syed Irfan Raza adds from
Islamabad: Security forces seized a large cache of arms and ammunition during a raid on a compound, 18 kilometres north of Miramshah, on Monday, an
Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) press release issued here on Tuesday said.

http://www.dawn.com/2004/08/25/top5.htm

Sounds like the Paks found more than just two jeeps. Hope this isn't a diversion designed to soften the perimeter around the Shawal. Enemy and vehicles do nothing to contradict that possible assessment, but a long established base does.


855 posted on 08/24/2004 11:10:09 PM PDT by jeffers
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To: jeffers; AdmSmith
“I'll post a GEONames database list that I customized on all 147 FATA tribes and their location coordinates.”

Here it is, jeffers, sorry about the length. You'll find it useful in locating the coordinates of some of the tribal names we keep running across. Just drag-n-drop it into a text file or an html file and save it for later reference.

My personal favorite is "Silli Khel".

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The following table is an alphabetic listing, compiled from the GEONames database output, for all "Tribal Area" (TRB) geophysical feature designations, located within FATA, Pakistan. All native names and significant variants are listed individually. Variants names are followed by an asterisk.

THE 147 TRIBES OF THE FEDERALLY ADMINISTERED TRIBAL AREAS OF PAKISTAN

tribe location also known as...
Aba Khel     32° 27' 35" N 070° 14' 42" E      
Adam Khel     33° 41' 13" N 071° 26' 28" E         Zarghun Khel
Abdul Aziz Khel     33° 46' 08" N 071° 05' 20" E      
Ad Zai     32° 35' 20" N 070° 23' 19" E      
Afridi*     33° 51' 53" N 070° 43' 02" E      
Ahmadzai     32° 08' 24" N 070° 02' 04" E      
Ahmadzai*     32° 17' 00" N 069° 38' 00" E         Wazir
Aiman Khel     32° 01' 10" N 069° 25' 00" E      
Akhorwal     33° 44' 22" N 071° 26' 11" E         Hasan Khel*
Alia Khel     32° 28' 34" N 070° 16' 59" E      
Alisherzai Pitao     33° 40' 09" N 070° 32' 55" E      
Alisherzai Sweri     33° 39' 00" N 070° 40' 00" E      
Alizai     33° 46' 25" N 070° 13' 13" E      
Alizai     34° 42' 50" N 071° 34' 00" E      
Ambar Utman Khel         34° 35' 45" N 071° 27' 00" E      
Arzai     34° 53' 30" N 071° 27' 00" E      
Asil     34° 34' 00" N 071° 38' 00" E      
Badda Khel     33° 54' 43" N 070° 11' 00" E      
Badza     32° 30' 24" N 070° 18' 52" E      
Badzai     32° 35' 39" N 070° 15' 32" E      
Bahlolzai     32° 41' 00" N 070° 06' 00" E      
Bangash     33° 24' 40" N 070° 36' 00" E      
Bar Mad     34° 55' 30" N 071° 32' 44" E      
Bar Qambar Khel     33° 49' 39" N 070° 35' 46" E      
Barakzai     31° 49' 00" N 070° 01' 30" E         Sanatia*
Bhittanni     32° 14' 18" N 070° 06' 23" E      
Biland Khel     33° 18' 58" N 070° 32' 37" E      
Bizoti     33° 47' 30" N 071° 02' 30" E      
Bomi Khel     32° 28' 35" N 069° 22' 40" E      
Bora Khel     32° 57' 50" N 070° 03' 20" E      
Burhan Khel     34° 18' 51" N 071° 27' 20" E      
Butkor     34° 37' 13" N 071° 31' 03" E      
Chaharmung     34° 45' 20" N 071° 20' 00" E      
Chamkanni     33° 51' 54" N 070° 21' 36" E         Goadara*
Chuhar Khel     31° 28' 00" N 070° 04' 00" E      
Darwesh Khel     32° 29' 10" N 069° 37' 00" E      
Dawezai     34° 34' 30" N 071° 21' 00" E      
Dhanna*     32° 27' 15" N 070° 09' 50" E         Waruki
Drozandai     32° 49' 20" N 070° 17' 37" E      
Duparzai     33° 47' 12" N 070° 11' 50" E      
Gandab     34° 20' 40" N 071° 14' 30" E      
Gandao     34° 21' 40" N 071° 20' 25" E         Halimzai
Gangi Khel     32° 25' 50" N 069° 27' 30" E      
Ghilzai     32° 03' 37" N 069° 21' 40" E      
Ghundi Khel     33° 49' 39" N 070° 02' 37" E      
Goadara     33° 48' 13" N 070° 21' 37" E      
Goadara*     33° 51' 54" N 070° 21' 36" E         Chamkanni
Gurbaz     32° 54' 51" N 070° 23' 39" E      
Haibat Khel     32° 37' 55" N 069° 37' 50" E      
Haji Khel     33° 54' 09" N 070° 14' 26" E         Hall Khel*
Halimzai     34° 21' 40" N 071° 20' 25" E         Gandao
Hall Khel*     33° 54' 09" N 070° 14' 26" E         Haji Khel
Hamza Khel     33° 52' 24" N 070° 09' 00" E      
Hasan Khel     33° 17' 45" N 070° 20' 45" E      
Hasan Khel     33° 18' 10" N 070° 31' 16" E         Mohmit Khel*
Hasan Khel*     33° 44' 22" N 071° 26' 11" E         Akhorwal
Ibrahim Khel     32° 53' 35" N 069° 35' 30" E      
Ibrahim Khel*     33° 12' 08" N 070° 12' 28" E         Titi Madda Khel    
    Kot Mir Akbar*
Ibrahim Khel*     33° 05' 00" N 070° 22' 00" E         Tori Khel
Isa Khel     34° 30' 50" N 071° 26' 00" E      
Jalal Khel     32° 27' 05" N 070° 06' 14" E      
Jani Khel     32° 43' 45" N 069° 37' 00" E      
Kakazai     34° 51' 00" N 071° 21' 00" E      
Kam Shilman     34° 09' 00" N 071° 16' 00" E      
Kamala     34° 26' 05" N 071° 19' 11" E      
Kanazai     32° 35' 53" N 070° 17' 04" E      
Kandhari     34° 28' 57" N 071° 16' 50" E      
Katagram     32° 21' 54" N 070° 17' 56" E      
Khaddar Khel     32° 53' 20" N 069° 42' 30" E      
Khani Khel     33° 50' 20" N 070° 30' 30" E      
Kharsin     32° 59' 35" N 069° 47' 30" E      
Khidarzai     31° 32' 20" N 070° 02' 00" E      
Khoidad Khel     33° 35' 00" N 070° 39' 00" E      
Khojal Khel     32° 20' 10" N 069° 32' 10" E      
Khwaezai     34° 23' 57" N 071° 15' 54" E      
Khwajak     33° 54' 53" N 070° 21' 32" E      
Kikarai     32° 40' 04" N 070° 02' 31" E      
Kot Mir Akbar*     33° 12' 08" N 070° 12' 28" E         Ibrahim Khel*
    Titi Madda Khel
Kuki Khel     33° 55' 00" N 070° 47' 00" E      
Kuki Khel     34° 01' 45" N 071° 13' 45" E      
Kuki Khel     34° 02' 38" N 071° 19' 00" E         Afridi*
Laman Utman Khel         34° 26' 47" N 071° 29' 42" E      
Lar Madak     34° 47' 42" N 071° 33' 00" E      
Lar Sadin     34° 51' 04" N 071° 35' 14" E      
Largha Shirani     31° 45' 00" N 070° 05' 00" E         Sheranis*
Largin     33° 28' 00" N 070° 22' 15" E      
Loe Shilman     34° 13' 35" N 071° 16' 13" E      
Madda Khel     32° 44' 55" N 069° 42' 30" E      
Madijan     32° 14' 23" N 069° 48' 42" E      
Mahsud     32° 37' 32" N 070° 07' 40" E      
Malikdin Khel     33° 50' 18" N 070° 45' 03" E      
Mamazai     33° 37' 15" N 070° 32' 20" E         Zaimukht*
Mamuzai     33° 29' 00" N 070° 30' 30" E      
Mandal     34° 41' 00" N 071° 28' 30" E      
Mani Khel     33° 45' 56" N 071° 03' 00" E      
Manzar Khel     32° 57' 30" N 069° 44' 20" E      
Marhel     31° 40' 20" N 070° 13' 30" E      
Maru Khel     33° 51' 24" N 070° 09' 10" E      
Mastu Khel     33° 49' 50" N 070° 08' 25" E      
Masuzai     33° 47' 51" N 070° 32' 59" E      
Miani     32° 02' 08" N 070° 02' 51" E      
Mohmit Khel     32° 53' 10" N 069° 42' 30" E      
Mohmit Khel*     33° 18' 10" N 070° 31' 16" E         Hasan Khel
Mullagori     34° 08' 41" N 071° 19' 22" E      
Mundi Khel     34° 28' 19" N 071° 24' 05" E      
Muqbil     33° 48' 08" N 069° 58' 45" E      
Mutakkai     34° 47' 09" N 071° 43' 39" E      
Nazar Khel     32° 32' 35" N 069° 43' 35" E      
Niamat Khel     32° 31' 57" N 070° 16' 13" E      
Painda Khel     34° 38' 40" N 071° 40' 00" E      
Qambar Khel     33° 48' 09" N 070° 46' 51" E      
Qambar Khel     33° 54' 30" N 070° 50' 00" E      
Safi     34° 34' 00" N 071° 16' 00" E      
Salarzai     34° 42' 30" N 071° 17' 00" E      
Sanatia*     31° 49' 00" N 070° 01' 30" E         Barakzai
Sarang Khel     32° 33' 15" N 069° 37' 50" E      
Shabi Khel     32° 36' 31" N 069° 51' 20" E      
Shadi Khel     32° 36' 13" N 070° 19' 58" E      
Shaikh Bazid     31° 59' 00" N 069° 58' 00" E      
Shaman Khel     32° 35' 50" N 069° 43' 40" E      
Shamozai     34° 42' 50" N 072° 10' 00" E      
Sheranis*     31° 45' 00" N 070° 05' 00" E         Largha Shirani
Sherawani Mela     33° 33' 20" N 070° 14' 32" E      
Shingi     32° 25' 51" N 070° 01' 59" E      
Shinwari     34° 38' 00" N 071° 19' 00" E      
Silli Khel     32° 29' 50" N 069° 27' 54" E      
Sipah     33° 49' 50" N 070° 51' 00" E      
Sipah     33° 53' 09" N 070° 54' 23" E      
Sipaya     33° 45' 44" N 071° 12' 04" E      
Sirk Khel     32° 12' 00" N 069° 24' 48" E      
Sturi Khel     33° 48' 38" N 071° 11' 13" E      
Sulaiman Khel     32° 01' 25" N 069° 33' 00" E      
Surar     32° 25' 03" N 070° 17' 55" E      
Tajbi Khel     32° 38' 57" N 070° 20' 42" E      
Tarakzai     34° 13' 00" N 071° 22' 00" E      
Tarkanri     34° 54' 00" N 071° 37' 00" E      
Taru Khel     32° 37' 57" N 070° 23' 20" E      
Titi Madda Khel     33° 12' 08" N 070° 12' 28" E         Ibrahim Khel*
    Kot Mir Akbar*
Toji Khel     32° 27' 50" N 069° 32' 00" E      
Tori Khel     33° 05' 00" N 070° 22' 00" E         Ibrahim Khel*
Turi     33° 50' 00" N 070° 05' 00" E      
Umar Khel     34° 28' 21" N 071° 29' 43" E      
Upper Daur     32° 56' 00" N 069° 52' 00" E      
Usterana     31° 22' 20" N 070° 19' 00" E      
Utman Khel     31° 54' 30" N 069° 59' 00" E      
Utmanzai     34° 29' 30" N 071° 22' 00" E      
Wali Khel     32° 45' 30" N 069° 36' 00" E      
Waraspun     32° 26' 46" N 070° 21' 57" E      
Wargara     32° 40' 46" N 070° 21' 45" E      
Waruki     32° 27' 15" N 070° 09' 50" E         Dhanna*
Watizai     33° 28' 30" N 070° 26' 30" E      
Wazir     32° 17' 00" N 069° 38' 00" E         Ahmadzai*
Wur     34° 49' 00" N 071° 27' 00" E      
Wuzi Khel     32° 56' 47" N 070° 03' 06" E      
Yasinzai     31° 47' 00" N 070° 03' 00" E      
Zaimukht*     33° 37' 15" N 070° 32' 20" E         Mamazai
Zakha Khel     34° 02' 09" N 071° 07' 43" E      
Zalli Khel     32° 15' 15" N 069° 31' 40" E      
Zarghun Khel     33° 41' 13" N 071° 26' 28" E         Adam Khel
Zilli Khel     32° 19' 40" N 069° 22' 30" E      
Zir Gwazha     32° 13' 16" N 069° 27' 45" E      

(Told you it was long!)

--Boot Hill

856 posted on 08/25/2004 3:47:37 AM PDT by Boot Hill (Candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo, candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo!!!)
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