Catholic Ping - let me know if you want on/off this list
Posted on 06/17/2004 11:20:09 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
Bettinelli reports:
I just got this message from Rod Dreher:
"On Sunday, The Dallas Morning News will begin publishing the results of a major yearlong investigation into a largely uncovered aspect of the Catholic sex abuse scandal. The series of stories are international in scope, and will make headlines nationally and overseas. I’m not at liberty to disclose details yet, but I’ve seen advanced copies of the articles, and they are devastating. I believe at this point, more details will be available on Friday morning, when one of the reporters on the series does an interview on National Public Radio’s “Morning Edition.” The stories will be available on the dallasnews.com website starting either late Saturday night or early Sunday morning.
I expect these stories to dominate conversation among concerned American Catholics next week, and into the early summer (because there will be much more to come; next week’s series only reveals part of what our reporters have uncovered and documented). These findings give lie to the claim from Church officialdom that this scandal is over. The cover-up continues."
Rod Dreher confirms:
"Not only stories, but photographs. I’ve seen the planned cover of Sunday’s DMN. The picture they’re going to run is a jaw-dropper...I hate to tell you this, but the bishops already know. They have known. They hoped you and I wouldn’t find out. That’s part of the story... Also, our people are now talking to national media about this. Starting Friday night, you might be seeing stuff about this. I’ll let Dom and others know if any early media appearances are scheduled."
(Excerpt) Read more at bettnet.dyndns.org ...
I find it amusing so many FReepers are so anxious to use precisely the same logic by which some argued that a nation which employs sadistic prison guards has no business pretending it's some great moral liberator of The People.
Thank you. Actually, based on this, the USA obviously does NOT have moral authority to police the world. Saddam killed several million, on 9/11 we lost 3000, but every day we legally murder 4400 and have legally murdered 44 million since 1973.
Wonder if these anti-Catholic blowhards ever looked in the collective American mirror before claiming the Pope has no moral authority based on the failings of some of his bishops and priests?
Well, al, I have to vehemently disagree with you.
Grahmann showed a level of insensitivity during the Rudy Kos trial I don't think I've ever observed in a churchman. He allowed Msgr. Robert Rehkemper to go on television and figure out a way to blame the young men for their own abuse, then he waited over a week before asking for Rehkemper's retirement for such ill-considered statements.
Wick Allison, publisher of D Magazine, and a group of other Catholic laymen met with Grahmann, who said he would step down after the trial.
Well, of course he never stepped down, and his people say he never made such a promise.
Grahmann also treated his coadjutor, Joseph Galante, very shabbily. He resented Rome appointing him, rarely talked to him, and let him know in no uncertain terms that he would not leave until he reached retirement age. That's why Galante's in New Jersey, with his own diocese.
The last straw was the pathetic manner in which he treated Fr. Weinberger at Blessed Sacrament, when he unceremoniously and suddenly transferred him, after Weinberger had built up Blessed Sacrament from near bankruptcy.
Grahmann is not only NOT a model bishop, he's a detriment to the Church of Dallas.
Well, I agree with you. It's not like I got a direct message from God saying "SUPPORT BUSH and the POPE IS WRONG".
I'm making a value decision about is the cost of the war and the collateral damage and the human suffering worth the cost of terrorism and the collateral damage and the human suffering if we don't go to war.
My objection and the reason for posting was the comment about the Authority to make those comments came from God and the implication that GOD Himself had spoken. I agree the authority to speak comes from God, as it does to all believers, but I severely doubt in this situation that God had specifically told the Pope to denounce the war.
Well, certainly the Pope has the moral authority, but, unfortunately, his moral credibility has been compromised by his long silence over the sexual abuse issue.
Of course many divorced people should stay away from communion -- I don't think anybody said anything about ALL the sacraments.
Some priests, concerned about scandal, asked divorced Catholics to not receive Communion.
Peach didn't even say divorced, for one thing. (She doesn't even remember how old she was (7? 8?)). And of course there are plenty of people who should not go to Communion because they persist in serious sin that is the breakup of their marriage.
"those who are actually responsible for the breakup of the marriage and the failure to be reconciled when possible are indeed guilty of sin and have an obligation to repent and confess their sin before receiving Communion, as would any grave sinner." http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/communion_of_divorced_and_remarr.htm
Couple of weeks ago I was in Little Rock for my God daughter's confirmation, when the local paper ran an article about notorious political tyrants. The title: "The Face of Evil". No prizes for what the face of evil looks like: Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Saddam...all the usual suspects. But (and this is so American, which is to say so protestant), you wanna know what the Face o' Evil never looks like? That's right -- the face in the mirror.
I believe the Pope and Catholics need to get their own house in order, and considering the size of their house, they have their work cut out for them.
If the President sends a message to the Vatican asking for more of the Pope's input on morality in American society, I can accept that. I will 'consider the source' though.
And, of course this includes Peach's mother, who stood there and watched her husband walk out on her, and had to endure a brain-dead priest make sure she knew she wasn't welcome to receive Communion! (/sarcasm).
You should stop now. Your postings have no relation to Peach's situation, and you are propagating the stereotype that Catholic teaching is cruel and heartless.
Turn your hat around and quit while you're ahead.
Nobody ever does.
I wonder if some of these pro-Catholic windbags can point out where the US Constitution says that America shoulders the responsibility of being the advocate of Christs's message and God's scripture?
Our charter is primarily based upon Liberty, not morality. They don't always go hand in hand. Sorry, but it's true.
Catholic Ping - let me know if you want on/off this list
Well, that wouldn't be Catholicism. We would deny you communion because you (I would assume, being Baptist) don't believe it is the actual (meaning transsubstantiated) body and blood of Jesus Christ. To receive the Eucharist without believing it is what we believe it is would be to make a mockery of our faith, and I know you wouldn't want to do that. In addition, even many of those who hold similar or the same beliefs about transsubstantiation are not invited to partake because it sends the message that we are united when there is still division, like saying peace when there is no peace. That one's a harder one to come to grips with.
Still, anyone is welcome to come to a Catholic Church, aside from receiving the Body and Bood of Christ. Many of the prayers would hold for most or all Christians, and non-Christians are welcome to come and learn, or observe, I guess.
I would wager that many people who go and routinely take communion and are in good standing with the "church" aren't necessarily in good standing with the Lord.
That is a very safe wager, and a problem within the Church.
Shouldn't you ping her if you're going to mock her?
I agree, but the DMN needs to be truthful. They weren't and have even admitted it.
Peach's situation was that she was 7, or 8, she's not sure, and JFK died, and her father left, and a priest immediately showed up denying communion to her whole family, oops maybe just to her mother, and ... I don't think Peach even knows the truth of her situation.
Obviously an innocent party in a broken marriage is innocent and should be treated as such.
you are propagating the stereotype that Catholic teaching is cruel and heartless
I'm doing no such thing, or do you think the EWTN article is cruel and heartless?
Don't you have a dog cage to clean at the shelter, Sinky? It's a bit late in the day for me to respond to your curious brand of dissidence, familiar though it is to me and to other Catholics here at Free Republic.
What you posted here was, yes. I have no interest in the rest of the article, if it has that tone to it.
Despite our flaming each other, your commentary here is spot on and praisworthy. God bless.
There's nothing dissident about what I posted, but plenty of heartlessness in what you posted.
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