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I guess what I find most interesting is that in the first 20 posts in a supposedly conservative forum, there wasn't a peep raised about the fact that these are role models who have ongoing access to our children. Where's the concern about character? Where's the eye-raising? These voyeurs are our children's teachers and role models.

Are we going to buy into the Clintonian argument that what a role model does in private is irrelevant to his character or to his leadership role?

Once upon a time in Jesus' day, a follower--a disciple--was someone who followed their master 24/7. This is still true in India amongst its gurus. You learned from Jesus the Master or India's gurus around-the-clock--from both the intentional teaching times as well as a life-on-life absorption. Education was more informal than formal--it was caught, not just taught. What Jesus did in his solo time (prayer) impacted what he did in his social life.

Character isn't something you manufacture professionally. It's who you are, 24/7. And it bleeds. It bleeds over any false boundaries we attempt to set up.

What a person in a position of trust (children-wise) does in their "own" time (whatever that is given that we're only stewards, not masters of this life on earth) has implications for influencing children who emulate them.

Otherwise, who gives a rip if educators themselves earn extra income as strippers or prostitutes outside the classroom?

And not much commentary about the 20 teachers deciding to attend. He didn't force them to go to the show, did he?

Otherwise, who gives a rip if educators themselves earn extra income as strippers or prostitutes outside the classroom?

They didn't go strip for money, they went to watch a campy strip show, which is exactly what Chippendale's is, whether they take themselves seriously or not. Women dancing naked may be sexy, but men in speedos and bow ties dancing around is just plain funny. They didn't take pictures and show the kids, they didn't go home with the strippers, they just went to a show and had fun. I don't have any problem with that at all. Perhaps this guy didn't show the greatest judgement, but it sounds like the teachers had themselves a good time, which improved their morale, which can only make them better teachers, not worse.

I guess what I find most interesting is that in the first 20 posts in a supposedly conservative forum, there wasn't a peep raised about the fact that these are role models who have ongoing access to our children. Where's the concern about character? Where's the eye-raising? These voyeurs are our children's teachers and role models.

I think that the public school system is so far gone that we don't have to mention that the teachers fall short of being role models. I quit teaching 6 years ago because I could no longer be a part of the public education system. When a fellow teacher yells "Hey Condom Head" at a student way down the hall and nothing is done about it, it is time to pull out and encourage parents to do like-wise.

I couldn't encourage people to pull their kids out and homeschool when I had one child left in the system. I did the honorable thing...We (child and I) pulled out of the system and have encouraged others to homeschool. I figure you have to lead by example.

Where's the concern about character? Where's the eye-raising? These voyeurs are our children's teachers and role models.

Shrug. Teaching is a job, just like any other. Assuming that the teachers do not engage in any illegal conduct while off the job or participate in innappropriate conduct on the job, their employer really should butt out of their private conduct.

Are we going to buy into the Clintonian argument that what a role model does in private is irrelevant to his character or to his leadership role?

You're buying into the Clintonian argument that "It's all about sex." In Clinton's case, he wasn't impeached because he was a sleazeball, he was impeached because he committed perjury.

Otherwise, who gives a rip if educators themselves earn extra income as strippers or prostitutes outside the classroom?

I have no problem with them being strippers on the side, since that is a legal business. I would object to them being prostitutes, if that was against the law.

so true--i agree