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To: Colofornian
Who made you my moral judge? ("narrow views"). I thought you were broad-minded? I thought you were tolerant? I thought you were inclusive? And here you go around labeling views as "narrow." How tolerant is that?

I'm tolerating you, but you still have narrow views if you think that only your definition of moral behavior should be used as a litmus for teachers. That's just defining something I see, not being non-inclusive or intolerant. I do find you annoying, but I can tolerate that.

So, you've made yourself the self-appointed gatekeeper who goes around to ensure that "appropriate behavior" isn't defined by "one or two people." Where did you get this absolute standard from? Why do you try to impose this standard on me? For someone who otherwise comes across and "live and Let live," you don't really live by even your own code on this, now do you?

you have a funny definition of an absolute standard - I say i don't want appropriate behavior for everyone defined by just one or two people, and that's an absolute standard? sounds like a guideline to me. I'm not imposing anything on you, I'm saying that you don't get to impose it on them. My imposing it on you would be to say that you don't get to say what is ok for your own children, which I wouldn't do. Saying you can't personally impose it on a larger group is simply stating that you don't have the right to decide for everyone what is and isn't ok. Your arguments are getting somewhat shrill - I don't believe I have limited YOUR ability to live as you please, though you would limit these teachers' ability to do so because of what you think. "live and let live" doesn't mean let someone else walk all over other people's individual rights because they are personally outraged.

233 posted on 06/17/2004 2:05:07 PM PDT by livianne
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To: livianne
I'm not imposing anything on you, I'm saying that you don't get to impose it on them. My imposing it on you would be to say that you don't get to say what is ok for your own children, which I wouldn't do.

Oh, I get it. If I try to tell adults--say like these teachers--that what they did was immoral, that would be imposing my own morality on them. But if you, o divine, gatekeeper one, if you try to impose your morality on me by saying I have no right to tell these other adults what to do, then that is not imposing your morality on me because I still retain the right to tell my own children my own moral code.

What a double standard! You're telling me that adults like you can pre-empt & verbally whip folks like me because we're trying to infringe on individual rights. And that's not imposing any standards? Isn't that the same thing? One adult telling another adult what they can say or do?

Saying you can't personally impose it on a larger group is simply stating that you don't have the right to decide for everyone what is and isn't ok.

Allow me to quote this standard of yours right back at you: You, livianne, cannot personally impose your standard of folks like me not being able to "impose my personal standard on a larger group" because "you don't have the right to decide for everyone (hello! "everyone" includes me and folks like me) what is and isn't ok" as to what we can say in the public square.

I don't believe I have limited YOUR ability to live as you please,

Except you would take away my voice if you had a choice. You don't think views like mine should be uttered, lest they put educators like these at risk.

"live and let live" doesn't mean let someone else walk all over other people's individual rights because they are personally outraged.

Nor does "live and let live" mean letting adults tred all over the innocence of influential children around them by flaunting their public behavior that eventually reverberates all around these children.

267 posted on 06/17/2004 2:42:28 PM PDT by Colofornian (I know it can be shocking for supposed relativists to finally realize they are selective absolutists)
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