Posted on 06/17/2004 7:21:12 AM PDT by esryle
COVINGTON, Ky. (AP) -- When Covington schools Superintendent Jack Moreland saw an advertisement for a Chippendales show, he thought it would be a good morale booster for his female employees. So he shelled out $420 to send 20 female staff members to a Chippendales show to see buff men strip off most of their clothing.
It worked, but it also raised the ire of at least one person, who wrote an anonymous letter to the state Office of Education Accountability accusing Moreland of using school-district funds to pay for the strip show.
Moreland said he spent $420 of his own money for the show - and faxed his personal credit-card receipt to investigators.
"I did it in fun, and they went in fun, and I don't think there was any harm done," he said.
Bryan Jones, a lawyer for the Office of Education Accountability, said he couldn't confirm or deny whether his office looked into a complaint.
The women who attended the show said they enjoyed it.
"We just laughed and laughed and laughed," said Jena Meehan, the superintendent's secretary. "It was a spectacle, to be sure, and to have all of us there was even funnier."
Chippendales is a high-class male revue that became popular in the 1980s. Well-muscled young men wearing bow-ties and bare chests strip to scanty undies for female audiences.
Moreland is the former president of the Council for Better Education, the superintendents group that brought the historic lawsuit that resulted in the Kentucky Education Reform Act of 1990 and its revolutionary reform of Kentucky's public schools.
That's a good start. But be the BEST influence you can be. To do that you will have to stop comparing yourself to their parents and compare yourself to Jesus. It's a little humiliating to do so, but the results are worth it.
Hey Danny, are you going to fire teachers if they have HBO, Cinemax, or Showtime at home?
How about if they attend an "R" rated movie?
Will you be there to cast the first stone Danny?
Oh, I have no doubt that there are some parents who would object to me teaching because of my religious values. Especially certain subjects.
I could not teach evolution without giving "fair and balanced" coverage to the evidence for and against. To point out holes in the theory and lack of evidence and to question the assumptions made would have certain parents screaming.
I couldn't teach American History without pointing out things like the Declaration of Independence and it's references to God. Or certain quotes of the founding fathers.
I would be a hotbed of controversy. But some parents would love me.
I probably wouldn't fuss about an R rated movie in today's society. If she showed one to kids, I'd fuss. You have to draw the line somewhere and pick your battles.
And I'm not going to stone them. I'm just not going to let them teach kids. There is a difference.
The issue here is less the teachers than the Superintendent.. Although they shouldn't have gone to Chippendales and they set a bad example which all the kids know about now.
The real issue is the Superintendent that thought this was an appropriate activity for his teachers. They all excercised bad judgement, but his was the worst because he is in a managerial role over them and he was the instigator.
Just picking the battles.
How about HBO and the rest?
I don't have HBO in my home.
Strip shows on there all the time man, must make sure that teachers are pure of heart and mind Danny...how do we keep an eye on them?
A good start is firing the Superintendent.
Yeah, does he think they're adults or something?
Your job as teacher would call for you to perform within the established guidelines, and if you decide not to adhere to them, then you should be fired for it.
By the way, I would post the exact same comment regarding anyone who decided to teach American History outside of the set curriculum, and decided to paint America in a bad light.
I can accept people working toward changing the curriculum, long before I accept any loose cannons just teaching whatever they think it's best to teach...from either side of the political spectrum.
That's not the type of activity I normally associate with adults. Immature college types maybe, but not mature adults. If he thinks that's appropriate for adults, no telling what he thinks is appropriate for kids.
Not picking , your battles at all Danny, it's the same battle.
We are discussing what adults who get paid to teach children should be morally allowed to see while they're off from work.
I didn't ask you if YOU had HBO Danny, I'm worried that your kid's teachers might.
Fire the superintendent?
For what?
For paying the way for his ADULT employees to engage in a legal activity?
So you ARE casting the first stone Danny...
You need to get out in the world more often Danny...only adults allowed in to the show.
Oh I agree with you. It's why I want the guidelines on evolution changed to present not just the theory of evolution but the controversy surrounding it and alternative views. Because right now a teacher can't tell the students the whole truth about certain subjects.
But on American History I probably wouldn't have to go outside of the guidelines. I don't think the guidelines yet reflect the atheist revisionist history that our forefathers were not Christians. Or rule out using the actual documents like the Declaration of Independence.
he wanted to be at work with a bunch of horny as hell women the next day!!!!
hell, even in kaintuck you don't need to take your shoes off to count that high!!!
Do you know what the current curriculum calls for in your school district?
Not exactly, we are discussing the moral character of the people who should be allowed to teach. A person could have HBO and not watch the sex flicks. And while I wouldn't propose invading a teachers privacy to learn what they watch, if I knew a teacher was given to porn, I would not want them teaching my kids.
"For paying the way for his ADULT employees to engage in a legal activity?"
For executing poor judgement, for being a bad role model, for paying the way for his ADULT employees to engage in a legal but immoral activity.
"So you ARE casting the first stone Danny..."
Interesting thing. The same God who taught us not to throw stones, first commanded us to throw stones. When you figure out why, you will understand.
Danny, then get nuns to tgeach your kids. Firing adults for engaging in a legal activity during their off hours simply because YOU don't approve, is not the way things are done in this country.
The fact that you;re this riled up about a rather innocent activity tells a whole lot more about you, than about them...and honestly, I would probably rather have them teaching my kids than you.
Only through the second grade which my oldest will be in next year. Of course it looks innocent enough when you look at it in summary form.
The only thing I know that they have taught so far that I object to, is that they taught my daughter in Kindergarden that Ramadan was good because they gave to the poor. I agreed giving to the poor was good, but then provided balance by explaining what the Muslims do to the Jews.
It worries me very much what they teach that I don't catch and know to balance. She learned the thing about Ramadan despite the fact that her Kindergarden teacher was a Christian. Her first grade teacher was a Christian also with an excellent reputation.
I know they have taught a lot about other cultures. The fear of course is that they will teach all cultures are equal and all religions are equal. I've tried to balance that by explaining that while people are equal under God, that all religions and all cultures are not equal and why.
She will get exposed to these ideas evenutally anyway, so I have to make sure that she has a good enough knowledge of God's Word and critical thinking skills that she can spot the lies and the spin. But I hate that I have to counter this stuff in Kindergarden and Elementary years. It ought to be a time of innocence.
ok, you're right. You can ASK the world to live by your standards. But you sure can't force them to, and if you try to you are stepping WAY outside the bounds of your own rights. The reason there is a value in individual rights is because enough individuals say there is. If only one person thought there was value in individual rights and no one else did, that one person would be out of luck.
You can try to soften your absolutes all you want w/whatever terminology you label them; the fact is, you don't budge from them. Which means they are absolutes to you.
really? what is my absolute then? quote it to me - this absolute standard for behavior I have.
The community already decided Danny, which is the very reason why the show was allowed to go on to begin with.
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