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To: quietolong; Pukin Dog
500lbs thrust? That can't be Sl static? I believe a 0-360 with a fixed pitch prop puts about that out at 140 mph.

5000lbs thrust would be about right.

Pukin dog, would you deploy spoilers and keep the engines spooled up on a 777 if you were to be low and slow? Seems like that would take care of the spool up argument.

Also, isn't flight idle on most HB turbofans about 20% thrust?

98 posted on 06/16/2004 11:35:08 AM PDT by Dead Dog (Expose the Media to Light, Expose the Media to Market Forces.)
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To: Dead Dog; All
Besides, wasn't the whole "jets vs. pistons/props" thing settled, like, 50 years ago?

One of the original complaints from purists about jets was the spool-up time, especially for those on carriers. Seems to me it was worked out, as was that on airliner-sized jets.

The only two major military prop jobs I can think of offhand are the P-3 and the C-130. All the rest are jets of one brand or another.

With MMA, the P-3 will be replaced, leaving the Herk, and I'm sure someone's working on that one as we speak.

I'm sorry that some here equate the replacement of these birds with disloyalty or dislike of them. Nothing of the kind is intended; both the P-3, and later the Herk, like so many of their predecessors, will always hold a place of honor in the hearts of those who crewed them over the decades. Just because something newer and more advanced replaces a trusted steed does NOT mean that the old girls were BAD or hated. It just means that, like so many other weapons systems (and people, for that matter), they reached retirement age, and were honorably and gratefully discharged, with full salutes.

102 posted on 06/16/2004 12:24:47 PM PDT by Long Cut (Certainty of Death, small chance of Success...What are we waiting for?...Gimli the Dwarf)
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To: Dead Dog
Pukin dog, would you deploy spoilers and keep the engines spooled up on a 777 if you were to be low and slow? Seems like that would take care of the spool up argument.

No, I would use flaps. I want more lift, not less, and I don't want to be pitched up hanging on the engines either. Flaps will keep me under 5 units of alpha, and I can go as slow as I want.

Idle on my big baby is less than 12%, but I still have to ride the brakes to keep from rolling most of the time.

105 posted on 06/16/2004 8:28:14 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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