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To: Hermann the Cherusker
my 1909 Encyclopedia Britannica notes 49,000 French Jews outside Alsace-Lorraine in 1872, and 159,000 including those provinces. In 1933, with Alsace-Lorraine returned (and various population shuffles in that territory undergone after 1918), there were 150,000 Jews in France according to my "Grosser Atlas von Weltgeschichte"

How did the encyclopedias and almanacs arrive at these figures? Did the census forms contain a checkbox for religious affiliation? Did they go from door to door noting the presence of a mezuzah? Or did they knock on the door and say, "Pardonnez-moi, monsieur, etes-vous Juif ou Français?"

In other words, Hermann the Jew-Chaser, citizens of France who followed the Mosaic faith, CONSIDERED THEMSELVES FRENCH and would have said so on any survey or census form.

Certain people like to "quote" census figures from unavailable sources in order to make certain claims about the "actual" number of Holocaust victims.

80 posted on 06/13/2004 5:46:21 PM PDT by Alouette ("Your children like olive trees seated round your table." -- Psalm 128:3)
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To: Alouette
How did the encyclopedias and almanacs arrive at these figures? Did the census forms contain a checkbox for religious affiliation? Did they go from door to door noting the presence of a mezuzah? Or did they knock on the door and say, "Pardonnez-moi, monsieur, etes-vous Juif ou Français?"

Apparently so. Quite a number of countries enumerated the Jewish population in censuses. Back in those days it would be easy to find the slackers too, since they could be cross checked against Baptismal records. The figures are accurate enough to be accepted by the Jewish Encylopedia.

Certain people like to "quote" census figures from unavailable sources in order to make certain claims about the "actual" number of Holocaust victims.

Don't start me with your Nazi baiting you l---r.

You need to learn to keep on topic. We aren't talking holocaust victims here. We are talking Jews in France. Okay?

Various wild claims are being made about "widespread" French anti-semitism. I'm poking a few holes.

94 posted on 06/13/2004 9:58:48 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Alouette
Certain people like to "quote" census figures from unavailable sources in order to make certain claims about the "actual" number of Holocaust victims.

One more comment about this. All the Holocaust Denial arguments about gas chambers and diesel engines and the like are all so much nonesense when it ultimately comes down to the question of numbers, because it is kind of tough to come up with an alternate explanation for the sudden disappearance of the Polish Jewish community. Where did they go?

Apparently, you are familiar with the numbers arguements some of these people use also. Also apparently, you don't understand how to answer it. If you did, you wouldn't be afraid of the numbers.

The numbers in an honest reckoning are the strongest physical evidence for the Holocaust. Stronger even then claims that "My Aunt So-and-so perished at Auschwitz". War is confusing when familes are dispossessed, uprooted and scattered across a continent. Maybe Aunt So-and-so wasn't really killed like you thought but ended up living in Russia or Australia or some place you'd never think she'd end up. On the other hand, a few million Polish Jews (and others) just suddenly gone missing is far more persuasive if the denier can't point to where these millions went to. If you wish to uphold the memory of their deaths, you should learn the numbers and understand the manipulations made with them.

Don't fear the numbers. Learn them and make an answer.

97 posted on 06/13/2004 10:20:32 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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