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White couple with Chinese toddler kicked off plane
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | Friday, June 11, 2004 | Associated Press

Posted on 06/11/2004 12:28:42 PM PDT by Willie Green

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To: Libertina

They actually thought it was kind of funny --- it happened to be all whites involved but a child who looked completely unrelated (which she was) to the friend of the family she was with --- actually I believe they are all Jewish. I guess when you have a screaming child on an airplane it would be best if the child was a spitting image of one of the parents --- adopted or not.


161 posted on 06/12/2004 9:23:20 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ

Other way around too. I see screaming kids every day. Should I have to call the police every time I see a parent with a screaming child?


162 posted on 06/12/2004 9:23:47 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: FITZ

Well either way, a good butt warming would be in order as soon as the home door is opened *LOL*


163 posted on 06/12/2004 9:25:07 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: MarMema

That was a stupid reason not to let you adopt.


164 posted on 06/12/2004 9:25:22 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: cyborg

Another thing that would help is if they were more honest about the problems with some of the older children. I know people who adopted children they were completely unprepared to deal with --- severe problems that showed up --- that required different kinds of parents --- one couple I know tried to adopt a 12 year old --- later the doctor said it was more likely he was 14, the child talked about seeing someone kill his mother --- maybe his own father, they woke one night to find him in their bedroom with a knife. But my cousin was 5 when he was adopted and turned out perfect. He had been in a foster home since infancy but it was a good home.


165 posted on 06/12/2004 9:27:41 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: cyborg

It depends --- but if it was your child being kidnapped and screaming for help or even just screaming, you'd want someone to at least question the situation.


166 posted on 06/12/2004 9:29:37 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ

agreed wholeheartedly... I find the whole system depressing. Here people use foster parent checks to pay their mortgages and other bills. They could care less about the mental and emotional needs of the child.


167 posted on 06/12/2004 9:30:06 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: FITZ

Okay I'll give you that but I think the airline overreacted and you know how people are with lawsuits today, you don't need to give some much ammo to sue anymore.


168 posted on 06/12/2004 9:32:09 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: JimRed

well, there are racial issues. Blackness matters so much in this country, much more than any other race or ethnic group. To look at it from a personal point of view, I am sure I could love a black child, (I am white) but I don't have black friends or live in a town with many black people. It would feel really odd to go searching out black people so my child could identify with someone as far as color went. Should I do that or not?

I know parents with adopted Chinese daughters have them take Chinese language and dance classes and celebrate Chinese holidays, but that is very much in their control.

I have a friend who adopted a white/black baby - I don't think she is doing anything much except for toys and books showing all colors, but the child is only three.

And when the child is old enough to seek a racial identity on his own - well, black culture in this country is too often defined by ghetto culture. And even if a child sought out only positive influences, I know I for one would likely feel rejected - what would be wrong with the culture I raised him in? Why does color matter so much?

Maybe it won't matter so much - some day - look at old cartoons of Irish and Jews and Japanese - so much racism there - they were seen as so different and now they aren't. But now blackness does matter and it matters a lot.

Mrs VS

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169 posted on 06/12/2004 9:40:10 AM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: VeritatisSplendor

excellent post... race matters way too much in this country. I think that's why you see people do things like 'seeking out role models',etc. I was never raised like that, and it was a real eye opener to meet this attitude in college. A black child raised with white parents should be happy where they are, but again here's where people can't mind their own business come in.


170 posted on 06/12/2004 9:44:11 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: Age of Reason
Don't we have American kids who need to be adopted--or is there something wrong with orphaned American kids?

We'll, it's probably a guarantee that your adopted Asian child will get a scholarship to Stanford, become a neurosurgeon, and keep you comfortable for the rest of your life.

171 posted on 06/12/2004 9:47:42 AM PDT by ExtremeUnction
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To: ExtremeUnction

What kind of nutball racist comment is that??


172 posted on 06/12/2004 9:57:49 AM PDT by Politicalmom ( Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but they're not entitled to their own facts -D. Rumsfeld)
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To: Politicalmom

Maybe someone found something yellow in their cheerios this morning.


173 posted on 06/12/2004 10:05:00 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: Age of Reason

Why do people have to go overseas to adopt a baby?



Many of these adoptive parents give the reason that they don't want any risk of "the bio parents coming back to get the child". Some that adopt from the Orient, want an Oriental child.


Don't we have American kids who need to be adopted--or is there something wrong with orphaned American kids?


Yes we do have American children to adopt and they are just fine.
After adopting 5 of our children from America I can say, the fear of bio parents coming back is more a myth than fact. In each of our children's adoption the bio parents have by their own choice slipped away into oblivion, much to our disappointment.


174 posted on 06/12/2004 10:09:55 AM PDT by 4Godsoloved..Hegave
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To: CFW
"Would a kidnapped two year old Chinese be crying "Mommy" in English?"

Excellent example of clear thinking, congratulations.

175 posted on 06/12/2004 10:23:17 AM PDT by Positive
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To: Politicalmom
"I bet the Chinese government isn't butting into these people's lives."

Especially when the adoptees are girls. What do you guess 90%?

176 posted on 06/12/2004 10:26:17 AM PDT by Positive
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To: Dante3
Stating that I support background checks has nothing to do with ignorance.

Correct, but that isn't what you said. You said that there "should be" background checks -as if there is not now such a requirement (your post 89).

When you have learned something about the subject of adoption, (or perhaps have participated in one) then perhaps we can have an intelligent discussion on the relative merits of 1)domestic agency adoption 2)domestic private adoption 3) state Protective Services adoption and 4)international adoption.

Until then, go on believing that folks spend tens of thousands of dollars, provide detailed personal and financial information to both the US and foreign governments and fly halfway around the world to make a fashion statement. I suppose many find if more fashionable to adopt a foreign child.

177 posted on 06/12/2004 11:06:28 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: MarMema
Two daughters are Russian, one son is Georgian. Passports from 4 different countries.

I would stongly recommend doing the paperwork and getting their US citizenship squared away. US passports will simplify life, and it can avoid significant problems as they get older.

178 posted on 06/12/2004 11:20:21 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: Age of Reason
is how adoption is being viewed from the perspective of what is difficult or easy for the parents.

Yes, flying 14,000 miles with a child you have known for a few days is certainly a lot easier than having a social worker hand you a baby at the local agency or drop the child by your house. You have pegged it - internatioal adoption is taking the easy path.

179 posted on 06/12/2004 11:31:48 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: Willie Green
“It was a very racist thing to do, ordering us off of the plane,” said Richard Feiock

He's right.

And seeing certain comments by the ignoramuses on this thread, it's no wonder some people are turned off by "conservatism".

180 posted on 06/12/2004 11:37:08 AM PDT by k2blader
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