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Just joining you from S. Central PA- ugh- yet another library.

Folks, I've been up almost all night- reading things that I printed out from TM, Mutter's,TB2000,Cliff Mickelson's posts on rumormillnews- including yet another carrier leaving,FAS, etc. etc.

I am guessing that many of us have come to a similar conclusion. I'm not adding the monetary information in here as it confuses me. All I understand is that our economy has apparently been infused with cash- which is to result in short term protection of some kind.

Here goes. Please bear with me. It has been a long night- ( and no "servesas" to ease the stress).

I hope I am wrong, need medication, sleep, whatever.

1. I do not believe that we have deployed our ships to avoid meteor impacts. I've read the pros and cons of such arguments and, IMO, the meteor hypothesis doesn't fit with many of the dots.

I believe we have deployed them in the initial phases of war. War with Russia/China/NK/Iran. War over- at its roots- a desperate need for Oil.

Some of the reasons:

Ships leaving to avoid meteor impact do not leave fully equipped for war (Hawaii post) nor do they have sealed orders.

Ships leaving to avoid meteor impact don't end up positioned in areas such as near Nigeria (courtesy of Mutter's)

Even if the impact areas were judged to be in the Atlantic, ships would not be moving to areas of potential conflict in the Pacific.

2. OIL: Apparently there was a meeting in Luxembourg a week or two ago. Those present discussed the need for maintaining oil supplies. (courtesy of mutter's, I think).

There is concern that SA might implode- as might Kuwait. AQ is trying to destabilize SA and may well succeed.

The ME is no longer a stable source of oil. Those countries that possess reserves are not necessarily allying themselves with the US. Iran, for example, has signed deals with Russia. The Saudi's- I believe- were signing or considering deals with China.

There is also concern that some of the ME oil producing countries are misrepresenting their level of reserves and their abilities to quickly refine the oil that they do possess.

In the meantime, Russia has signed deals with Venezuela and Mexico. I think China may be in on that, as well. Russia may well have mil. bases in Venezuela- also read something about them having agreements to launch space vehicles from--was it French Guyana? (sp.)

ISRAEL_OIL CONNECTION - I believe it was several months ago-ISRAEL reported that she had discovered a rather large reserve of oil.

This makes Israel even MORE important to the US as a strategic partner. Any threat to Israel becomes, in essence, a threat to the US.

THE US CONSIDERS OIL to be necessary for its survival. Any threat to its oil supplies constitutes a reason for grave concern. Any attack on precious oil supplies would be, IMO- reason enough for the US to go to war.

One of the carriers is going to- or is already located- off the Coast of Nigeria. This cannot be due to possible incoming space junk, IMO.

3. POTENTIAL WAR BETWEEN THE US AND RUSSIA/CHINA IS LOOMING, IMO Israel considers Iran a threat to her existence. Iran will not give up its nukes. Russia agrees Iran has a right to the nukes.

We all know Iran and Russia are allies- as are Russia and Syria. Iran- in several of the articles I read- pinpointed how it would destroy Israel through about 30 missile strikes, should Israel attack its nuclear facilities.

Iran is backed up by Russia. Any conflict between Iran and Israel is in essence a conflict between the US and Russia.

Russia and China are, IMO, in desperate need of oil supplies for THEIR own survival. Hence, they will act to protect THEIR interests.

We know all the other conflicts ready to flare up--China/Taiwan, North Korea, ad nauseum.

4. THE MILITARY "EXERCISES"-

Some thoughts here- and please forgive the tinfoil.

GPS "tests" are also going on in Alaska and in Ontario.

Statements announcing the "test" in Ontario noted that it was being done even at potential risk to the wellbeing of those depending on GPS for survival in the test area.

This suggests to me that the decision was made rather hastily- yes, it is a test- but imperative.

Then- WHY would the tests be so important- at this particular time- that the PTB in Canada would decide that potential loss of life would be regrettable, but acceptable.

IMO this suggests that there is grave concern GPS might be lost.

Since GPS depends on satellites, that suggests to me that the concern would be for disruption of those satellites. We must be worried that Russia/China/whomever could attack those satellites.

Russia has been quickly launching satellites recently. I'm sure we have been doing the same.

TINFOIL- The "booms" and "flashes" in the past weeks may well be due to OUR tests of our space-based weapon systems.Not to shoot down meteors, but to shoot down missiles headed our way.

Somewhere in all that reading, I saw an article saying that the US would be testing its space based military systems in the coming weeks.

OK- so what is exploding and falling out of the sky, and where is it falling?

I may well have gone entirely over the edge here- but other than a few instances noted- I think- in Russia- of a meteor crashing-

ALMOST ALL OF THE INCIDENTS seem to be occurring in the US and among its allies. New Zealand has had quite a few incidents. Could we be testing our defensive systems?

Sadly, I think it is more probable that we are doing that than testing our ability to destroy meteors.

-Yesterday someone here mentioned that their XM radio reception was horrific. XM is supposed to have perfect reception- Could something be going on with tests of SAT and ASAT weapons which accidently disrupted XM?

5. Last tie in- The AQ's. Now this is even more foily, but may fit the observations. Just a possible here.

Friday 6/11 was one of the big dates we were worried about- following the transit of Venus and that final EOM message on the 9th. Friday- there were reports of continuous fighter jet coverage- particularly along the East Coast.

Then- Saturday and Sunday and Monday- very few jet reports. Those days, the reports are all of large military helicopters in selected areas across the country.

I saw two such sets yesterday. One around White Plains/SW Connecticut- North of 95 and East of NYC. Could that be where Indian Point nuke plant is located? Just a possibility.

The second set was seen West of Allentown- to the north of route 78. Could this be where the Limerick, PA nuclear plant is located?

There were no copters seen around TMI- but it was too hazy to see much from the route we took in Harrisburg.

Then yesterday- there is a shut down of all 3 reactors in a plant in Arizona- a plant which has been on the AQ hit list for at least a year- according to the homeland securityUS.com folks.

So I am wondering if those helicopters could, in fact- be protecting nuke facilities from attack by air.




Please forgive me for jumping in without reading the updates, and for the length of this post!!! And please- ANY feedback would be greatly appreciated. I desperately hope that I just need some sleep, or perhaps a cold beer.

Please- you folks with military backgrounds and knowledge- tell me that there is NO WAY this could be possible. It's "just an exercise."

Prayers for everyone.



1,157 posted on 06/15/2004 9:37:37 AM PDT by jerseygirl
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To: jerseygirl; Cindy; all4one; Calpernia; StillProud2BeFree; KylaStarr; MamaDearest; JustPiper; ...

Apologies if this was posted yesterday, but it's the first I heard of it in JG's post.

APS takes Palo Verde units offline
Arizona Public Service Co. took all three Palo Verde nuclear plant units offline following a "grid disturbance" on Monday morning, Reuters reported



"We had a grid disturbance. We have yet to determine the cause. It led to some short-lived customer outages and ultimately led to some units being shut down," APS spokeswoman Sheri Foote said.

The disturbance, which occurred around 7:40 a.m. Monday, initially resulted in the loss of service to around 30,000 customers of Phoenix-based APS, the largest subsidiary of Pinnacle West Capital Corp.

All threew units at the Palo Verde nuclear plant and 2 units at the Redhawk gas-fired plant were then shut down. The Palo Verde units can produce around 3,900 megawatts of electricity, enough power for almost 4 million homes.

The Redhawk units, which are run by a sister company, Pinnacle West Energy, can each produce about 530 MW. Both Redhawk units are now back in service, Foote told Reuters.

No estimate is yet available for when the Palo Verde units will return to service, she added.

Most of the impacted customers had service restored within 20 to 30 minutes.

The Palo Verde plant is located about 50 miles west of Phoenix.

The California Independent System Operator provided about 800 megawatts of emergency assistance immediately after the outage, ISO spokesman Gregg Fisherman said.

Electricity traders said there appeared to be a "large frequency disturbance" in the desert Southwest as trading in the day-ahead market was winding down.

APS has a 29.1 percent interest in the plant runs it on behalf of the ownership consortium. Other part owners are Salt River Project (17.5 percent), Edison International's Southern California Edison Co. (15.8 percent); El Paso Electric Co. (15.8 percent), PNM Resources Inc.'s Public Service Co. of New Mexico (10.2 percent); Southern California Public Power Authority (5.9 percent); and the Los Angeles Department of Water & Power (5.7 percent).
http://phoenix.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2004/06/14/daily9.html


1,163 posted on 06/15/2004 10:00:24 AM PDT by WestCoastGal (Better stand tall when they're calling you out ~ Don't bend ,don't break, baby, don't back down ~)
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To: jerseygirl; rickylc; All
TINFOIL- The "booms" and "flashes" in the past weeks may well be due to OUR tests of our space-based weapon systems.Not to shoot down meteors, but to shoot down missiles headed our way.

How about that new airborne laser defense designed to shoot down missiles? I dont know how far along in development it is. It takes up the whole aircraft it is in. I've seen it profiled on one of those discovery channel shows (man I love those).

1,173 posted on 06/15/2004 10:29:19 AM PDT by SwankyC
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To: jerseygirl
Russia and China are, IMO, in desperate need of oil supplies for THEIR own survival. Hence, they will act to protect THEIR interests.

Not only oil. Im not sure how savvy you are with construction materials, but China (not to mention the Iraq war) has driven the prices of ALL things construction through the roof. I rewired my house last weekend. Copper wire is almost double what it was a few months ago. The 2x4s start at almost 4 dollars at Home Depot. They used to be just over two dollars there. I have a friend in the concrete business. Their prices have gone through the roof too. China is importing everything they can get their hands on.

1,181 posted on 06/15/2004 10:50:11 AM PDT by SwankyC
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To: jerseygirl

You sure seem to have things figured out. You present quite a scary scenario but it sure makes a lot of sense.


1,182 posted on 06/15/2004 10:51:25 AM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: jerseygirl
Good post jg!

" Russia has signed deals with Venezuela and Mexico... Russia may well have mil. bases in Venezuela- also read something about them having agreements to launch space vehicles from--was it French Guyana?

The launching platform was to be built in Venezuela. It was the Aluminum industry in both Venezuela and French Guyana that the Russian's were commandeering...especially the Bauxite mining. (Remembering Alcoa bought out Reynolds a few years back...)

"GPS "tests" are also going on in Alaska and in Ontario."

Very interesting...doesn't this also interfere with cell phones? And we know al qaida has used the phones as a remote switch mechanism.

"TINFOIL- The "booms" and "flashes" in the past weeks may well be due to OUR tests of our space-based weapon system"

I have wondered if we were doing so as well and it seems a rational thing for our government/military to do...and it also seems rational to cloak it with space dust bunnies, real (how convenient-fireworks season...preplanned?) or imaginary martians. It is obvious something's causing some pretty big kabooms.

" The second set was seen West of Allentown- to the north of route 78. Could this be where the Limerick, PA nuclear plant is located?

There were no copters seen around TMI- but it was too hazy to see much from the route we took in Harrisburg."

Saturday,6/12, mid morning we drove up 283 and could see the plumes from TMI clearly. Very little if any aircraft in sight. We did see early on from 472 way off in the distance, a huge white plume rising from the horizon to the southeast (Wilmington?Philly airport?)and we noted it as very unusual...never seen that before! Up at Hershey we saw one plane and one chopper.
1,194 posted on 06/15/2004 11:31:03 AM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: jerseygirl
Then- Saturday and Sunday and Monday- very few jet reports. Those days, the reports are all of large military helicopters in selected areas across the country. I saw two such sets yesterday. One around White Plains/SW Connecticut- North of 95 and East of NYC. Could that be where Indian Point nuke plant is located? Just a possibility.

As usual, you've given us a lot to think about. There may be an innocent explaination for the all the helicoptors you saw in the White Plains area over the weekend: First, West Point Military Academy, which is located on the Hudson River, just north of the Indian Point Nuke Plant, which is about ten miles north of White Plains, commenced summer military exercises last weekend in the highlands surrounding the Academy on both sides of the river, including Fort Montgomery, on the west side, and Fort Smith, on the east side. The exercises involve upper class cadets, nco's, and enlisted personnel, and pretty much run non-stop until mid-August. Our local newspaper warned us last week that the exercises would involve artillary and other heavy duty stuff, and from past experience, military choppers are definately part of the drill. This happens every year around this time, so I would not read too much into it.

Also, the military might have been moving VIP's back into the area after the the Ronald Reagan funeral. Remember, Billary lives a few miles from White Plains and choppers have been known to drop them off at White Plains Airport. There are also a lot -- and I mean a lot -- of political, business, and diplomatic VIPs that live in Westchester Co. in SE NY, and Fairfield Co. in SW CT, who could have bumped rides on military or military type choppers.

1,225 posted on 06/15/2004 1:23:42 PM PDT by Labyrinthos
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