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To: tpaine
Eggs and sperm are not organisms - they are not individual members of the species of Homo sapiens - while embryos are. The embryo is formed - as is the sperm and oocyte - and he or she is viable in the proper environment, as are the infants, toddlers and adults of the species. The specialized cells such as sperm and oocytes are not viable for more than 48 hours or so, no matter where they are, as they are at the end of their differentiation and life span. This is simple Biology 101.

There is no distinction in the Declaration of Independence between men who are persons and those who are not - or those who have the right not to be killed and those who do not. And, as I've shown, the DOI is incorporporated in our Constitution as law. The Constitution did not specifically name only those which men are persons, it only named which persons are citizens. There is only a bias toward the rights of citizenship for those who are born or naturalized, not a discrimination between who has the right to live.

The heirarchy or pre-eminence of rights has always been life, liberty, and property - in that order. As long as there is life there is a possibility of liberty, etc., but there cannot be liberty without life. (Back to that discussion of necessary and sufficient)

It's too bad that you can't discriminate between the law concerning an unborn child in the womb of a woman and the unborn child in a laboratory, because the law obviously and currently does.

221 posted on 06/13/2004 5:14:54 PM PDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: hocndoc
The embryo is formed - as is the sperm and oocyte - and he or she is viable in the proper environment, as are the infants, toddlers and adults of the species.

Yep, and the best environment is one of liberty. one in which a person has a right to live their life free of unwarranted government control over there most precious property, their own body. In such a land, if they were to abort, a jury of peers would be required in order to find them guilty of murder. --- Sound familiar? -- Its the american way.

The heirarchy or pre-eminence of rights has always been life, liberty, and property - in that order.

Sorry, but you made that one up. There is no "hierarchy".

As long as there is life there is a possibility of liberty, etc., but there cannot be liberty without life. (Back to that discussion of necessary and sufficient).

And, imo, there can be no life without liberty, -- either.

232 posted on 06/13/2004 6:45:35 PM PDT by tpaine (The line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being" -- Solzhenitsyn)
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