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To: cpforlife.org

That reading of the Constitution goes against the plain wording of the Constitution itself.The Constitution does not define life but clearly says that people born in the United States are citizens. It does not say that people conceived in the United States or carried in their mothers' bellies into the United States are citizens. I do not argue that, in this circumstance the mother should have been deported , but surely other reasons could have been found that do not do violence to the Constitution and neither would I think the mother or baby has been done a great wrong if she is deported.


11 posted on 06/07/2004 1:56:42 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: arthurus

In this case the baby is the child of an american citizen, so I have no problem with it being allowed to stay. If Mama can't stay, that's just too bad. But still, if you're married to an american and have an american child, I would think that would get you a green card, as long as it wasn't a sham marriage.


30 posted on 06/07/2004 2:16:55 PM PDT by johnb838 (When I hear "Allahu Akhbar" it means somebody is about to die.)
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To: arthurus; Coleus

"That reading of the Constitution goes against the plain wording of the Constitution itself.The Constitution does not define life but clearly says that people born in the United States are citizens. It does not say that people conceived in the United States or carried in their mothers' bellies into the United States are citizens."



But the 14th Amendment of the Constitution does not say that *only* persons born in the U.S. are U.S. citizens. In fact, since the Naturalization Act of 1789, persons born outside the U.S. whose parents are U.S. citizens have been U.S. citizens from birth---while they used to require that both parents be U.S. citizens, now it's only one parent so long as he or she has lived in the U.S. for X years, Y of which were after age 18 (I believe that X=7 and Y=5, but I could be wrong). In the case at bar, the baby would be a U.S. citizen whether he is born in Missouri or Mexico. Of course, our current law does not grant citizenship until actual birth, but it's not like the judge is acting in a way that, but for his action, the baby would not be a U.S. citizen at birth.

I think that, as conservatives, we should be glad whenever any decision is made that recognizes the humanity of unborn children. While this is a liberal judge whose decision surely will be overturned, it is a positive step towards the recognition of rights for unborn babies.


65 posted on 06/07/2004 4:57:23 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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