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Posted on 06/05/2004 12:10:57 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob
John / Billybob
Thank you.
But the other error is serious. It is the last word in the article, in the quotation from Thomas Paine. It should read: "What we obtain too cheap, we esteem to lightly." In the text above, that final word is miswritten as "likely." Apologies to Freepers and to the ghost of Tom Paine for that error.
John / Billybob
Well said, Congessman.
And it [our Debt] extends to the tens of thousands of men and women who have continued that work by writing and approving all the amendments that have become part of that Constitution, as recently as 1992.
All can properly be called Framers, because every amendment becomes part of the Constitution when ratified, as it declares.
Confusing line Billybob, seeing that you just wrote on another thread that:
" -- The first words of the First Amendment are, "CONGRESS shall make no law ...." It is crystal clear that the Bill of Rights was written to restrain the power and reach of the federal government only. -- "
Which implies that our State or local governments have the ability to ignore the amendments "just ratified".
-- Could you please clarify this issue?
Kindly explain what sources you have used to develop your absurd conclusions about the Constitution. Did you rely on one of the tin-foil sites or writers? Or is your confusion entirely home-grown? Either way, you have retired the crown as the Freeper with the most nonsensical ideas about the Constitution.
John / Billybob
" -- The first words of the First Amendment are, "CONGRESS shall make no law ...." It is crystal clear that the Bill of Rights was written to restrain the power and reach of the federal government only. -- "
Which implies that our State or local governments have the ability to ignore the amendments "just ratified".
-- Could you please clarify this issue?
Again you spread intellectual confusion like a literary squid in the constitutional seas.
Colorful, Bbob, but you are the one confused, not I.
State legislators have a federally-assigned role in ratifying amendments, as they choose. Why you equate "ratifying amendments" with "ignoring the Constitution" is beyond me.
Why? - Because it is your position that State/local governments can ignore our BOR's. -- You agree that CA can prohibit assault weapons, for one such instance, incredibly enough. -- Why is that?
Kindly explain what sources you have used to develop your conclusions about the Constitution.
My 'sources' are the plain words of our Constitution itself. You should study it without your "states rights" blinders on.
My position is identical to that written by Goerge Washington in his "Fairwell Address to the American People." He wrote: "Until amended by the authentic act of the whole people, the Constitution is sacredly obligatory upon all." In short, until the Constitution is legitimately amended by the people, using the process described in Article V, every word of it should be both applied and obeyed.
You may have a different attitude. But do not impute your conclusion to me.
I find it interesting that your constitutional "scholarship" consists of reading and misunderstanding that document on your own. You are, as are most such, a self-taught constitutional moron. Welcome to the club which has many, non-illustrious members.
John / Billybob
Belied by your clear words just above:
" -- It is crystal clear that the Bill of Rights was written to restrain the power and reach of the federal government only. -- "
You claim that States are not "restrained" by our BOR's, - that CA can prohibit assault weapons for instance.
- You scoff at our RKBA's sir.
Neither should Congress, nor Presidents, nor judges of state or federal courts, nor especially Justices of the Supreme Court, ignore the Constitution.
Ah, but they are, and you as an officer of the court hold that a State is not bound by the 'restraints' of our first eight amendments to the Bill of Rights.
My position is identical to that written by Goerge Washington in his "Fairwell Address to the American People." He wrote: "Until amended by the authentic act of the whole people, the Constitution is sacredly obligatory upon all." In short, until the Constitution is legitimately amended by the people, using the process described in Article V, every word of it should be both applied and obeyed.
Our BOR's were legitimately adopted, and must be honored as the Law of the Land under Art VI. Why you differ is an unexplained mystery.
You may have a different attitude. But do not impute your conclusion to me.
I 'impute' your position to your own words. B-bob.
I find it interesting that your constitutional "scholarship" consists of reading and misunderstanding that document on your own. You are, as are most such, a self-taught constitutional moron.
Which leaves you sir, as an overeducated moron, if you are indeed what you claim to be, a Yale lawyer.
Welcome to the club which has many, non-illustrious members.
-- John/Billybob, I would much rather be in my 'club', which honors our oaths to the Constitution/BOR's, than in yours, that scoffs at it.
Uhm, that quote is from our first foreign war: the "Quasi war" with France under President Adams ( XYZ affair, etc.)
Good points though, as usual.
You are not capable of it.
You really should stick to subjects you have a slight clue about. Our conversations are ended, not just now, but permanently. (I do feel sorry for anyone who reads your twaddle and takes it seriously. But they're on their own now.)
John / Billybob
When the Constitution means "states" it says "states." When it means something even more specific, it says "state legislatures." That was a critical issue in the Bush/Florida case.
You are taking the approach that the Constitution means whatever I say it means. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg could not have said it better. So, you see the "issue" really is your personal stupidity. Or are you so blind and foolish that you cannot see that?
John / Billybob
" -- It is crystal clear that the Bill of Rights was written to restrain the power and reach of the federal government only. -- "
John Armor
You claim that States are not "restrained" by our BOR's, - that CA can prohibit assault weapons for instance.
- You scoff at our RKBA's sir.
---- you do not even understand the "issue" that you have invented.
You posted the issue, just as is quoted above. I 'invented' nothing.
You claim that when the Constitution says "Congress" what it really means is "everybody."
False claim. You're imagining I wrote that.
When the Constitution means "states" it says "states." When it means something even more specific, it says "state legislatures." That was a critical issue in the Bush/Florida case.
Yep, and the supremacy clause says that States are "bound thereby" to the "Law of the Land", which includes our BOR's.
You are taking the approach that the Constitution means whatever I say it means.
More false imagination on your part.
Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg could not have said it better. So, you see the "issue" really is your personal stupidity. Or are you so blind and foolish that you cannot see that?
John, you probably have an immunity from being suspended for personal remarks. - I don't. -- If I were to answer your insults in kind, I might even be permanently banned.
-- I appreciate that you can't rationally stick to the issue, but I would also appreciate it if you would stop with the "stupidity" remarks. For one thing, they display your own.
Ask to have me banned, if you choose. I won't ask to have you banned. I gather from others that you are amusing. I take the Constitution too seriously to find you amusing. But others do.
Have a nive day.
J.
I believe in honesty. " -- It is crystal clear that the Bill of Rights was written to restrain the power and reach of the federal government only. -- "
You claim that States are not "restrained" by our BOR's, - that CA can prohibit assault weapons for instance.
- You scoff at our RKBA's sir.
That is not honesty.
John / Billybob
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