Posted on 06/04/2004 5:29:10 AM PDT by Happy2BMe
WAVE OF THE FUTURE: The XM-8 Battle Rifle |
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For almost 40 years, the M-16 5.56mm combat rifle, in all its incarnations, has served as the United States military's primary battle rifle. To give you an idea of how long a time that is, the only other long gun with a similar tenure is the .58 caliber Brown Bess musket -- which entered service with the Continental Army in 1776.
Pushing Lead Of course, all the fancy weapons and attachments on a rifle don't mean much if it jams on the operator. One of the M-16's major flaws is jamming, due to its gas operating system, where propellant gasses are used to cycle the rifle's bolt and fire bullets. In the M-16, these gasses are vented directly back to the rifle chamber itself. This means that every time the weapon is fired, propellant gasses, gunpowder residue, and other particles are deposited directly on the bolt face (this process is called "fouling"). Eventually, the bolt becomes too dirty to fully lock into place, rendering the weapon unreliable. While no gas-operating weapon (including the XM-8) is immune to the effects of fouling, the XM-8's system presents a clear advantage over the M-16: The receiver utilizes a six-lug rotating bolt that fully supports the cartridge case and is driven by a "pusher" type gas piston. This piston is unaffected by barrel changes, and is even capable of operating if the weapon's barrel is full of water. Most importantly, it eliminates fouling of the bolt face, which dramatically improves the weapon's overall reliability in a sustained firing situation. In short, soldiers using the XM-8 in combat should have one less thing to worry about, and that one thing can mean the difference between life and death. Goodbye to the Past If you add up all the M-16's flaws -- its poorly designed gas operating system, its need for constant maintenance and cleaning, its lack of interchangeable parts - it becomes clear that the XM-8 is superior to the M-16/M-4 family in all respects. It is lighter, cheaper, more reliable, and easier to maintain than the current rifle. In short, it surpasses all of the M-16's strengths while eliminating all of its weaknesses, thus earning a spot on our Military Gear Hot List. |
They seem to have succeeded. AR-180B's are somewhat tough to find without ordering one, at least where I reside.
As far as the stock goes, I'd bet that the new one, if it folds, will be of a different, stronger design than the old one. The current furniature is better than the old, as well.
They've also said that, in the case of sufficient demand potential, that a .308 and 6.8 SPC version is not out of the question, or different barrel lengths.
There are a lot of good reasons to downplay that possibility right now.
To announce such a rifle, while the Ban is currently in effect and being debated, would be ridiculous. It would only feed the Anti's anger, and give them something to beat the drums with.
What's he saying? Maybe you should get a bucket of cold water ready.
You've got a little more confidence in ArmaLite and that Mark Westrom guy that runs it than I do.
My AR18 (actually it was a converted 180 allegedly from Stembridge gun rentals) was a pretty decent rifle. It shot well and was pretty reliable. It was also a little prone to breaking things like the bolt catch and firing pin.
That's a couple of areas where the G36 is a vast improvement. HK can make some good internal parts.
I can't imagine stretching the AR180 action to fit .308. That seems crazy. You'd have an FAL.
AND...the M14 used real bullets, not the mouse-killer .223!!
Cool...
In that case I'll take one of the carbines w' GL attachment and one of the "automatic rifles".
Lots of mags and at least 5 drums.
....oh, and I'd like both of them in Kelly green please, with some tasteful tan highlights.
Thanks!
(SIGH!)
Nope. You'd have an AR-16, which was the forerunner to the AR-180 and AR-18. It was chambered in .308. Gimme a minute...
What a round! Shoots flat, hits hard enough to knock down a moose at 250 yds, yet did not have much recoil. Came with 100 rounds of Swedish Military fmj, cost $39.95. (That'll tell you how old I am!) Still got, still shoot it. I was in the military when they announced a smaller round ...I stupidly thought it was gonna be something like the 6.5X55. Ya mean ta tell me 50 years later I may have been on the right track?
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The discussion about caliber is not really about flatness or recoil--it's about knockdown power.
The .223/5.56 got some nasty raps in Afghanistan over knockdown power, thus the agitation to go up, considerably, in caliber. Some (I'm one) like .30 cal.
Apparently someone's paying attention, as the 6.80 is being discussed on this thread--that's .299 cal...
It DID exist, though. It featured a basically AR-18-looking profile, but with the larger .308 mag and wood stocks fore and aft. I belive only a few were built.
Arch, if you're about, can you possibly provide a picture of an AR-16?
Are you sure? I remember an AR17 that was some James Bond-lookin like 12 guage......
I understand this. That's why I mentioned .243; aside from all of the advantages noted (the flat trajectory and low wind drift simply make it easier to hit a target consistently), a 90-100 grain .243 has a lot more pop to it (creates a larger permanent stretch cavity with deeper penatration, given correct bullet design) than a 55-63 grain 223.
However, all of that is really less relevant than the firearm deployed. Given that the M4 has a 14" barrel, and the proposed replacement may have a 9, there are going to be some substantial issues associated with "knock down" regardless of the caliber.
I'm guessing that replacing lots of the M4s with 20" barrel M16A2s and spending more time teaching people to shoot well would provide more of a benefit than a firearm/caliber upgrade
Just my opinion, of course...
No pics but it's the "official" history
http://www.armalite.com/library/history/history.htm
A lightweight 5.56 mm machine gun with improvements to the weapons overall operation. Enhancements include the following:
Ergonomically designed in plastic, containing a hydraulic buffer.
Incorporates a folding handle, fixed position gas port and M16A2 flash suppressor.
Clips onto barrel and is easily removable.
Does it come with an X-box adapter?
bookmark for later reading
You are 100% correct about the civilian base .... H&K also really screwed their dealers. While I love my USP & Model 91, I was alittle disappointed with my USC & SL8 (I also still want a USP .45 cal Match .... my daughter loves Lara Croft.... and she handles my regular USP .45 pretty darn well ....). Black should be the only color for H&K rifles. The advanced sight on my SL8 is clearly a step in the right direction. I have not taken apart an AR-180, so I'll take your word on that. I think I'll start asking about retrofit kits.....
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