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WAVE OF THE FUTURE: The XM-8 Battle Rifle (What the Germans want to replace the M-16 with.)
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Posted on 06/04/2004 5:29:10 AM PDT by Happy2BMe

WAVE OF THE FUTURE: The XM-8 Battle Rifle
 

Question: Can you build an all-purpose battle rifle that can change colors, barrels, and weapons packages on the fly, comes equipped with a grenade launcher and shotgun that can take out Sigourney Weaver's aliens, and jams far less frequently than the M-16? Answer: The new XM-8 rifle by Heckler and Koch.


Heckler & Koch XM-8 Rifle
Photo by Heckler & Koch, USA

For almost 40 years, the M-16 5.56mm combat rifle, in all its incarnations, has served as the United States military's primary battle rifle. To give you an idea of how long a time that is, the only other long gun with a similar tenure is the .58 caliber Brown Bess musket -- which entered service with the Continental Army in 1776.

The German weapons manufacturer Heckler & Koch believes it's high time for a change; specifically, it would like to see the United States retire the M-16 and replace it with a slick, new, high-speed battle rifle dubbed the XM-8. And boy, what a rifle it is …

Army of One

The XM-8 weapon system -- for that's what it really is, a family of related weapons -- packs quite an arsenal in its portable shape (6.4 pounds, lighter than the current M-4 at 8.85 pounds). It takes its cue from the M-29 Objective Individual Combat Weapon (OICW), a $10,000 prototypical technology test bed from the late 1990s. The OICW was a combination of "kinetic energy" projector (a battle rifle that fired the Remington .223) and a semi-autonomous, air-bursting 20mm grenade launcher. The XM-8 is the "kinetic energy" portion of the OICW, plus a receiver to which all other components can be attached or removed.

Complementing the XM-8 are two attachable weapon systems, the XM320 40mm single shot grenade launcher and the LSS 12-gauge shotgun. The XM320 incorporates a swing out barrel design with integrated sight, and is capable of firing all currently manufactured 40mm grenades, while the LSS is capable of firing both lethal and non-lethal shotgun shells, as well as specially-designed breaching shells. Both weapons are mounted forward of the magazine, underneath the barrel, and can be installed by the operator in minutes without tools.

The XM-8 is a model of efficiency in use: its operation controls are ambidextrous, it has three firing modes (single round, three-round burst, and fully automatic), and can handle a variety of magazines, including a 30 round semi-opaque (to allow the shooter to see how many rounds are left in the magazine) hard plastic magazine, which can be rapidly reloaded in close combat situations, and a 100-round drum (for sustained fire), as well as 10-round weapon qualification magazines and M-16 style metal magazines.

Flexible on the Fly

Whether the user is a sniper or part of an attack team, the XM-8 can accommodate all uses. It uses four different interchangeable barrels (a 9" compact, a 12.5" assault, a 20" match grade sharpshooter, or a 20" heavy barrel for sustained high ROF applications), each of which can be swapped out at the unit level in less than 2 minutes. The weapon can also be equipped with a 5-position collapsible stock, a flat butt plate (for an extremely small weapon profile), an adjustable sniper stock, or a folding stock.

Attention has also been paid to look and feel with the XM-8. Forward handguards incorporate non-slip materials to improve weapon handling and retention. The XM-8's non-metallic components are manufactured from fiber reinforced plastic polymers which can be molded in numerous colors, and can be removed or replaced by the operator without specialized tools. In other words, whether you're in the jungle or on the sand, the weapon's "skin" can be changed to blend with its surroundings.

The XM-8 doesn't skimp on optics, either. Its optics/sight package is an "all-in-one" combination: an infrared laser target designator, IR target illuminator and 1x close combat red-dot sight. In addition to incorporating the three sights into one system, the sight is zeroed at the factory and can be removed and reinstalled by the operator without specialized tools, or the loss of zero. Contrast this with the M-16/M-4 series: While advances have been made in their combat optics to improve rifle accuracy, these advances have brought additional issues (increased weight, cost, the need to continuously re-zero the devices when removed).
How useful are the XM-8's interchangeable parts? Here's a quick look at some of the M-16's problems in this regard:

  • A half dozen incarnations of the M-16/M-4 are currently in service, and none of them have parts that are 100% interchangeable with a different series weapon.
  • For the M-16, mounting optics requires the use of weapon specific (read: non-interchangeable) adapters.
  • The M-16A1 (still in widespread service with the National Guard and Reserves) was designed to fire the M198 5.56mm Ball cartridge, while the M16A2 and later rifles (used by Active Duty formations) was designed to fire the heavier M855 cartridge. While both rifles can chamber and fire both types of bullet, the M885 bullet weighs more, and is less accurate when fired from the M16A1.
On the other hand, the XM-8 has:
  • One common component receiver, with the remaining parts (barrel, optics, stock, hand guards, auxiliary weapons) attached as needed.
  • Combining three optic units into one not only reduces weapon weight, but also simplifies equipment issue, maintenance and accountability.
  • One common bullet type (5.56mm cartridge) for all models.
This is not to say that soldiers are going to enter battle toting a golf bag of rifle barrels and accessories, but rather, replacement parts can be replaced or exchanged at the unit level without worrying about system compatibility. At the end of the day, does any of this make the XM-8 more lethal than the M-16? No, as both fire the same 5.56mm cartridge … but the XM-8 completely outclasses the M-16 is in reliability, ease of maintenance, and reduced logistical requirements.

Pushing Lead

Of course, all the fancy weapons and attachments on a rifle don't mean much if it jams on the operator. One of the M-16's major flaws is jamming, due to its gas operating system, where propellant gasses are used to cycle the rifle's bolt and fire bullets. In the M-16, these gasses are vented directly back to the rifle chamber itself. This means that every time the weapon is fired, propellant gasses, gunpowder residue, and other particles are deposited directly on the bolt face (this process is called "fouling"). Eventually, the bolt becomes too dirty to fully lock into place, rendering the weapon unreliable.

While no gas-operating weapon (including the XM-8) is immune to the effects of fouling, the XM-8's system presents a clear advantage over the M-16: The receiver utilizes a six-lug rotating bolt that fully supports the cartridge case and is driven by a "pusher" type gas piston. This piston is unaffected by barrel changes, and is even capable of operating if the weapon's barrel is full of water. Most importantly, it eliminates fouling of the bolt face, which dramatically improves the weapon's overall reliability in a sustained firing situation. In short, soldiers using the XM-8 in combat should have one less thing to worry about, and that one thing can mean the difference between life and death.

Goodbye to the Past

If you add up all the M-16's flaws -- its poorly designed gas operating system, its need for constant maintenance and cleaning, its lack of interchangeable parts - it becomes clear that the XM-8 is superior to the M-16/M-4 family in all respects. It is lighter, cheaper, more reliable, and easier to maintain than the current rifle. In short, it surpasses all of the M-16's strengths while eliminating all of its weaknesses, thus earning a spot on our Military Gear Hot List.


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To: nerdwithamachinegun
In reading Armalite's forums, they have said that if the demand for a chrome-lined bore is sufficient, they would make one. What they were trying to do was produce a low-cost, entry-level semiauto sporter with good reliability and magazine commonality.

They seem to have succeeded. AR-180B's are somewhat tough to find without ordering one, at least where I reside.

As far as the stock goes, I'd bet that the new one, if it folds, will be of a different, stronger design than the old one. The current furniature is better than the old, as well.

They've also said that, in the case of sufficient demand potential, that a .308 and 6.8 SPC version is not out of the question, or different barrel lengths.

121 posted on 06/04/2004 11:16:37 AM PDT by Long Cut (Certainty of Death, small chance of Success...What are we waiting for?...Gimli the Dwarf)
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To: Chewbacca
They might yet. They will have a factory in place in the US, and military and police sales to help build demand amongst civilians.

There are a lot of good reasons to downplay that possibility right now.

To announce such a rifle, while the Ban is currently in effect and being debated, would be ridiculous. It would only feed the Anti's anger, and give them something to beat the drums with.

122 posted on 06/04/2004 11:20:05 AM PDT by Long Cut (Certainty of Death, small chance of Success...What are we waiting for?...Gimli the Dwarf)
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To: MassExodus
He's off raving about it just now.

What's he saying? Maybe you should get a bucket of cold water ready.

123 posted on 06/04/2004 11:23:50 AM PDT by wingnutx (tanstaafl)
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To: Long Cut

You've got a little more confidence in ArmaLite and that Mark Westrom guy that runs it than I do.

My AR18 (actually it was a converted 180 allegedly from Stembridge gun rentals) was a pretty decent rifle. It shot well and was pretty reliable. It was also a little prone to breaking things like the bolt catch and firing pin.

That's a couple of areas where the G36 is a vast improvement. HK can make some good internal parts.

I can't imagine stretching the AR180 action to fit .308. That seems crazy. You'd have an FAL.


124 posted on 06/04/2004 11:25:05 AM PDT by nerdwithamachinegun (All generalizations are wrong.)
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To: SpeakingUp

AND...the M14 used real bullets, not the mouse-killer .223!!


125 posted on 06/04/2004 11:27:08 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Happy2BMe

Cool...
In that case I'll take one of the carbines w' GL attachment and one of the "automatic rifles".
Lots of mags and at least 5 drums.
....oh, and I'd like both of them in Kelly green please, with some tasteful tan highlights.
Thanks!
(SIGH!)


126 posted on 06/04/2004 11:30:10 AM PDT by cavtrooper21 (Response times: My 12 gauge - 30 seconds / my .45 - 4 seconds/ Local police - ?)
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To: nerdwithamachinegun

Nope. You'd have an AR-16, which was the forerunner to the AR-180 and AR-18. It was chambered in .308. Gimme a minute...


127 posted on 06/04/2004 11:36:42 AM PDT by Long Cut (Certainty of Death, small chance of Success...What are we waiting for?...Gimli the Dwarf)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4; jscd3
One of my first rifles as a kid was a 6.5X55 Mauser purchased mail order. I bought the carbine version, because it had a turned-down bolt.

What a round! Shoots flat, hits hard enough to knock down a moose at 250 yds, yet did not have much recoil. Came with 100 rounds of Swedish Military fmj, cost $39.95. (That'll tell you how old I am!) Still got, still shoot it. I was in the military when they announced a smaller round ...I stupidly thought it was gonna be something like the 6.5X55. Ya mean ta tell me 50 years later I may have been on the right track?

128 posted on 06/04/2004 11:36:52 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: Happy2BMe

bump


129 posted on 06/04/2004 11:38:45 AM PDT by VOA
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To: jscd3

The discussion about caliber is not really about flatness or recoil--it's about knockdown power.

The .223/5.56 got some nasty raps in Afghanistan over knockdown power, thus the agitation to go up, considerably, in caliber. Some (I'm one) like .30 cal.

Apparently someone's paying attention, as the 6.80 is being discussed on this thread--that's .299 cal...


130 posted on 06/04/2004 11:38:49 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: nerdwithamachinegun; archy
Crap. I can't find the pic of the AR-16 I was looking for. I THINK it was on the XM-8 thread I linked to above in my first post here, but there's about 850 posts there to go through and I don't have a fast connection.

It DID exist, though. It featured a basically AR-18-looking profile, but with the larger .308 mag and wood stocks fore and aft. I belive only a few were built.

Arch, if you're about, can you possibly provide a picture of an AR-16?

131 posted on 06/04/2004 12:01:09 PM PDT by Long Cut (Certainty of Death, small chance of Success...What are we waiting for?...Gimli the Dwarf)
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To: Long Cut

Are you sure? I remember an AR17 that was some James Bond-lookin like 12 guage......


132 posted on 06/04/2004 12:01:11 PM PDT by nerdwithamachinegun (All generalizations are wrong.)
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To: ninenot
The discussion about caliber is not really about flatness or recoil--it's about knockdown power.

I understand this. That's why I mentioned .243; aside from all of the advantages noted (the flat trajectory and low wind drift simply make it easier to hit a target consistently), a 90-100 grain .243 has a lot more pop to it (creates a larger permanent stretch cavity with deeper penatration, given correct bullet design) than a 55-63 grain 223.

However, all of that is really less relevant than the firearm deployed. Given that the M4 has a 14" barrel, and the proposed replacement may have a 9, there are going to be some substantial issues associated with "knock down" regardless of the caliber.

I'm guessing that replacing lots of the M4s with 20" barrel M16A2s and spending more time teaching people to shoot well would provide more of a benefit than a firearm/caliber upgrade

Just my opinion, of course...

133 posted on 06/04/2004 12:01:23 PM PDT by jscd3
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To: Long Cut

No pics but it's the "official" history

http://www.armalite.com/library/history/history.htm


134 posted on 06/04/2004 12:06:06 PM PDT by nerdwithamachinegun (All generalizations are wrong.)
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To: jscd3

 
M249 Squad Automatic Weapon

A lightweight 5.56 mm machine gun with improvements to the weapon’s overall operation. Enhancements include the following:

 

Buttstock

Ergonomically designed in plastic, containing a hydraulic buffer.

 

Barrel

Incorporates a folding handle, fixed position gas port and M16A2 flash suppressor.

 

Heat Shield

Clips onto barrel and is easily removable.

 

Technical Data


135 posted on 06/04/2004 12:21:08 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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To: Happy2BMe

Does it come with an X-box adapter?


136 posted on 06/04/2004 1:27:10 PM PDT by PsyOp (John Kerry—a .22 Rimfire Short in a .44 Magnum world.)
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To: nerdwithamachinegun
Nope. The AR-16 definetely existed, and was an autorifle which used the same gas system as the AR-18. It was, however, a .308. Like I said, there were only a few (meaning 3-5) prototypes made. I could only find one tiny image of it on Google...this will have to do...


137 posted on 06/04/2004 1:31:51 PM PDT by Long Cut (Certainty of Death, small chance of Success...What are we waiting for?...Gimli the Dwarf)
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To: Happy2BMe

bookmark for later reading


138 posted on 06/04/2004 1:38:00 PM PDT by KansasConservative1
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To: nerdwithamachinegun
OK! Found a good image of an AR-16...


139 posted on 06/04/2004 1:39:32 PM PDT by Long Cut (Certainty of Death, small chance of Success...What are we waiting for?...Gimli the Dwarf)
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To: nerdwithamachinegun

You are 100% correct about the civilian base .... H&K also really screwed their dealers. While I love my USP & Model 91, I was alittle disappointed with my USC & SL8 (I also still want a USP .45 cal Match .... my daughter loves Lara Croft.... and she handles my regular USP .45 pretty darn well ....). Black should be the only color for H&K rifles. The advanced sight on my SL8 is clearly a step in the right direction. I have not taken apart an AR-180, so I'll take your word on that. I think I'll start asking about retrofit kits.....


140 posted on 06/04/2004 3:28:42 PM PDT by Yasotay
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