[Eternal_Bear]

They call President Karzai the Mayor of Kabul. Warlords control the rest of the land. If fighting is still going on, you can't call it a victory yet or are we dealing with nuage newspeak?

[arthurus]

Afghanistan is not a war. It has been a campaign to disrưpt AQ and deny it the use of the sanctuary of Afghanistan.That sort of fight in a place like Afghanistan does not admit of a "victory" except we stay there and continue to deny the sanctuary. It is aklso an excellent basing area to kêp pressure on Pakistan. It does not require so many troops as to drain the force in Iraq and it is part of the same war. And OBL is dead.