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Party Over Principle? (My lone FReep of Arlen Specter)
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Posted on 05/30/2004 8:54:37 PM PDT by Badray

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To: Designer
As to whether we are better off with a "D" or an "R", let me tell you; my own congress-liberal, Tom Latham(R-IA4), has a worse voting record on the issues (conservative vs. liberal) than neighboring Leonard Boswell(D-IA3).

Your comparison does not apply to this debate, though. Badray insists we replace Specter (R) with Hoeffel (D), because Specter is "unreliable".

Specter's lifetime ACU rating is 43.
Hoeffel's lifetime ACU rating is 8.

Hillary's lifetime ACU rating is 11.
Bernie Sanders, admitted Socialist, ACU rating is 7.

461 posted on 06/02/2004 10:38:19 AM PDT by Tamzee (Kerry's just a gigolo, and everywhere he goes, people know the part he's playing...)
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To: Tamsey
My analyis of this debate is largely based upon the 24 year history of Sentor Specter and the recent Toomey race.

I have been involved in unsuccessful attempts to defeat Specter in the past.

You might be surprised at what I know and understand about some of the participants of this debate and thus your assumption about my assumption is inaccurate. Regardless, I support whatever strategy is going to either promote conservatism or cause it the least damage.

How are you going to feel when Specter is reelected and blocks conservative appointments to the judiciary?

462 posted on 06/02/2004 10:56:02 AM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH (A vote for George Bush is a principled vote!)
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To: Tamsey
Your comparison does not apply to this debate, though. Badray insists we replace Specter (R) with Hoeffel (D), because Specter is "unreliable".

Now lets try this one more time:

He wants to replace him with Hoeffel because Specter, a PRO-CHOICE ADVOCATE will HEAD THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.

He wants to replace him with Hoeffel because Specter, a PRO-CHOICE ADVOCATE will HEAD THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.

He wants to replace him with Hoeffel because Specter, a PRO-CHOICE ADVOCATE will HEAD THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.

He wants to replace him with Hoeffel because Specter, a PRO-CHOICE ADVOCATE will HEAD THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE

And Hoeffel will NOT HAVE THE POWER WHICH THAT POSITION HOLDS.

And Hoeffel will NOT HAVE THE POWER WHICH THAT POSITION HOLDS.

And Hoeffel will NOT HAVE THE POWER WHICH THAT POSITION HOLDS.

If you don't agree, then fine. But to belittle people for their ideas and counter the argument with personal attacks is not becoming of a Republican, or anyone else

463 posted on 06/02/2004 10:56:23 AM PDT by smokeyb
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To: smokeyb; Badray
And Hoeffel will NOT HAVE THE POWER WHICH THAT POSITION HOLDS.

And Hoeffel will NOT HAVE THE POWER WHICH THAT POSITION HOLDS.

And Hoeffel will NOT HAVE THE POWER WHICH THAT POSITION HOLDS

Is your Guru, badray holding Hare Khrishna chanting sessions now?

Seems like it, as you smokey deny the existance of Joe Hoeffel, kinda of like how the demos deny the existance of osama bin ladin and the rest of radical islam, IMO.

464 posted on 06/02/2004 11:05:31 AM PDT by Dane
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To: Badray
I'm with you..i live in Pa and i'm voting for Hoffel for the reasons you described.
465 posted on 06/02/2004 11:15:13 AM PDT by rottweiller_inc
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To: rottweiller_inc; Badray
I'm with you..i live in Pa and i'm voting for Hoffel for the reasons you described

And may I inquirer of what's your parting gift from Hillary/Badray?

466 posted on 06/02/2004 11:18:52 AM PDT by Dane
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To: Dane

I do not deny the existance of Hoeffel, you just can not comprehend the difference between a junior liberal senator and a senior liberal senator, head of a judicial committee and I am guessing the appropriations committee. Where would you rather have a liberal ?


467 posted on 06/02/2004 11:18:57 AM PDT by smokeyb
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To: Dane
And may I inquirer of what's your parting gift from Hillary/Badray?

You can't do anything but throw insults, can you ? You can not have a disagreement without calling names, can you ? Makes me proud that you are a Republican.

468 posted on 06/02/2004 11:24:30 AM PDT by smokeyb
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To: smokeyb
I do not deny the existance of Hoeffel,

Yeah right. Oh BTW, I don't buy bridges from street corner peddlers in Brooklyn.

you just can not comprehend the difference between a junior liberal senator and a senior liberal senator, head of a judicial committee and I am guessing the appropriations committee. Where would you rather have a liberal ?

Actually nowhere, but it seems that you wish to have Hoeffel(IIRC, who is in his 40's) there for another 30 years.

469 posted on 06/02/2004 11:24:34 AM PDT by Dane
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To: Dane
Yeah right. Oh BTW, I don't buy bridges from street corner peddlers in Brooklyn.

Just can't argue without the condescending remarks ?

470 posted on 06/02/2004 11:29:06 AM PDT by smokeyb
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To: smokeyb
You can't do anything but throw insults, can you ?

Huh, well excuse me for telling persons who openly advoctae for Hoeffel(rottweiller_inc, Badray, smokeyb), that Hoeffel is a Hillary fly monkey, on FR.

you just can not comprehend the difference between a junior liberal senator and a senior liberal senator, head of a judicial committee and I am guessing the appropriations committee. Where would you rather have a liberal

Gee I guess Jamie Gorelick/Reno is more "conservative" than John Ashcroft, reading your rhetoric on this thread.

471 posted on 06/02/2004 11:31:55 AM PDT by Dane
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To: smokeyb
Just can't argue without the condescending remarks ?

Sorry that your are deficeint in debating.

You are the only person who can help yourself.

472 posted on 06/02/2004 11:33:43 AM PDT by Dane
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To: pointsal
"You certainly hit the nail on the head with these posts."

Thank you for your kind words.

If you commented before and I missed you,I apologize

473 posted on 06/02/2004 11:35:51 AM PDT by Badray (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown. RIP harpseal.)
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To: Badray
If you commented before and I missed you,I apologize

To make the above italicized passage timely and truthful, IMO, you should add the Hillary guffaw.

You Ray are the one promoting Hillary backed candidate, Joe Hoeffel.

474 posted on 06/02/2004 11:39:08 AM PDT by Dane
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To: Dane
Sorry that your are deficeint in debating.

Using condescending insults is debating ? did you learn "Whew, dude you are a feeb" in debate class ?

475 posted on 06/02/2004 11:44:55 AM PDT by smokeyb
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To: Dane
To make the above italicized passage timely and truthful, IMO, you should add the Hillary guffaw

Great debate comeback, really advances your argument

476 posted on 06/02/2004 11:46:34 AM PDT by smokeyb
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To: smokeyb

you know..look at this:
Spector Vulnerable in Pennsylvania
Posted by rottweiller_inc to princess leah
On News/Activism 05/04/2004 4:12:22 PM PDT #44 of 48

From my mouth to your ears: i live in Pa and i couldn't vote for Toomey because i'm a registered libertarian(a formor republican). However Specter will feel my mite because i will vote for the democrat just to see him defeated. The defeat of a liberal, regardless of party, is what i care about.
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and the response:
Spector Vulnerable in Pennsylvania
Posted by Doctor Stochastic to rottweiller_inc
On News/Activism 05/04/2004 8:15:31 PM PDT #46 of 48

Isn't Ms Clinton going to be chair of the Senate Armed Forces Committee? (And Lahey chair of the Jusiciary, and Daschle majority leader.)

what do you people plot together or does someone voting the way the feel best frighten you?


477 posted on 06/02/2004 11:47:54 AM PDT by rottweiller_inc
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To: smokeyb; Badray
Using condescending insults is debating ? did you learn "Whew, dude you are a feeb" in debate class ?

No reason for a debate class to use the word "feeb", IMO. The use of the word "feeb" comes from debating common sense.

A sense you and ray are deficeint of, IMO.

478 posted on 06/02/2004 11:48:35 AM PDT by Dane
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To: TOUGH STOUGH
You criticized my anger in this discussion and I stated you didn't know the history of this debate and participants... meaning the people talking about this on the board right now, not 24 years ago. Your history was just fascinating, thanks, but not relevant to whether or not you know what has been said to me recently by these...errr... gentlemen.
479 posted on 06/02/2004 11:50:03 AM PDT by Tamzee (Kerry's just a gigolo, and everywhere he goes, people know the part he's playing...)
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To: smokeyb
LOL!!! Now that is funny! I have tears in my eyes as I post this.

Good Going!

480 posted on 06/02/2004 11:50:49 AM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH (A vote for George Bush is a principled vote!)
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