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To: Your Nightmare; Libertarianize the GOP; *Taxreform; Taxman; Principled; Bigun; EternalVigilance; ...

Uh-oh. The Kool-Aid drinking NRSTers are going to be all over this in no time.

Getting the adhominens in early, I see. Guess I had better ping in a few Kool-Aid drinkers to handle the rush. I'd hate to disappoint you YN.

The over/under for this tread is 200 by the end of the day.

Well I certainly hope so, the more that learn of the National Retail Sales Tax and its advantages over the income/payroll tax system the sooner it will be enacted.

John Linder in the House & Saxby Chambliss Senate, offer a comprehensive bill to kill all income and payroll taxes outright, and provide a IRS free replacement in the form of a pure consumption tax:

H.R.25, S.1493
A bill to promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national retail sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.

Refer: http://www.fairtax.org & http://www.salestax.org


8 posted on 05/28/2004 12:11:20 PM PDT by ancient_geezer (Equality, the French disease: Everyone is equal beneath the guillotine.)
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To: ancient_geezer
Oh, man... it's a holiday weekend... I'm not sure if I have the energy to battle willful mischaracterizations today...

But I'll say this at least, Bartlett created a nice little strawman (re: NRST) for himself so he could knock it down. He makes some valid points on the gas tax, but his focus is still narrowed down to an over-simplification, assuming that controlling energy costs is the purpose of the proposal -- I strongly believe that it's just one more way for Congresscritters to tax and spend, which is how they maintain their power bases.

12 posted on 05/28/2004 12:26:27 PM PDT by kevkrom (The John Kerry Songbook: www.imakrom.com/kerrysongs)
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To: ancient_geezer
Sorry, I forgot to add the ;-)

BTW, I was wonder if you could clear something up for me. What exactly does this part of the law mean?:

`SEC. 902. TRANSITION MATTERS.


20 posted on 05/28/2004 1:03:51 PM PDT by Your Nightmare
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To: ancient_geezer
The idea that a higher gasoline tax will help our energy situation is ludicrous.

Spot on Mr. Bartlett for all the reasons you list and more.

The idea of replacing the payroll tax is similarly unworkable. This system of funding Social Security benefits was created for a specific reason that is still valid. By tying a worker's contributions directly to his benefits, workers tend to view the payroll tax not so much as a tax, but rather as a payroll deduction for his 401(k) plan, life insurance or medical benefits. To the extent that this is the case, the payroll tax is viewed as part of a worker's pay and not a subtraction from it.

Here you are completely full of crap however! Most of the workers I know have long since concluded that the payroll tax is just another way the socialists in government have of getting in their pockets. They regard it as just another tax and DO NOT, if they are prudent, include any benefits they MAY someday recieve in thier retirement planning.

Social security is, and always has been, nothing more that a government run Ponzi scheme and most folks have now figured that out.

33 posted on 05/28/2004 1:47:35 PM PDT by Bigun (IRSsucks@getridof it.com)
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To: ancient_geezer
Re: Post #8.
Items to add to your list:

* Incredible uptick in productivity by eliminating the hours wasted in completing the many forms, and maintaining copious records for years.

* Eliminates loopholes for the wealthy

* Eliminate need for an army of tax lawyers to create loopholes.

* Eliminates the need for the huge IRS bureaucracy, and the army of intrusive IRS agents.

I frankly only see upside with the proposal to substitute a sales tax for the income tax; but also have no illusions about believing it will ever come to fruition. Our Congress folks derive their power from special favors they can grant through the complex tax code; and it is also in their best interest to hide the taxes in as many shadows they can create. A National Sales Tax provides neither of these 'attributes', and Congress will never support it.

Great idea though.

53 posted on 05/28/2004 3:31:49 PM PDT by El Cid
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To: ancient_geezer
Dramatically reduce the costs of goods and services by 20 to 25 percent.

That would be dramatic if it wasn't pure bullshit.

78 posted on 05/28/2004 10:14:13 PM PDT by lewislynn (Who made you, the casual observer, the expert?)
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