[sarcasm]

ping

[snopercod]

America has been training foreign scientists and engineers in our universities for over forty years now. What did we expect?

Mama, don't let your sons grow up to be engineers...

[alex]

Offshoring is here but numbers in the article do not add. E.g. average compensation of US software is not more than $60/hour (it is way below this level) and Indians were $2/hour just a few years ago, now it closing on $10/hour and it is rising fast. And if the differential is less than 4X then outsourcing of the hi-end jobs is not feasible because of communications problems.

Again outsourcing is here but it is not a major factor, the major factor is that hi-tech boom is over.

[ivanhoe116]

"The trend right now is if there is anything people can do by taking their laptop home and working from there for two days, well, that job will be easily outsourced," he said.

I've worked for a major airline in the catering department for 15 years-outsourced. I was then moved to the cargo department-outsourced. No one, in either case, was taking their laptops home.

[A. Pole]

According to Forrester research, the average computer programmer in India earns roughly $10 per hour, compared with more than $60 per hour for the average American programmer.

"$60 per hour for the average American programmer."?! Why are they lying?

[ARCADIA]

"They say that the stockholders benefit. But what are they going to do when the country has no jobs for educated workers? We can't compete with someone who's going to be paid a nickel to our dollar. No matter how smart, or how experienced you are, you can't compete with an educated worker overseas who wants to make can live on $2,500 a year," Antman said.

The issue is not about what anyone wants to make; but, what it actually cost to live in the US versus another country. Outsource or downgrade enough workers and the cost of living here, the value of real assets, will also have to come down. If that has yet to materialized it may be because many people are living at a standard which is beyond their means. We can ignore the impact for as long as we have a liberal supply of credit. However, the day we hit a credit limit, is when the extent of the damage will become painfully evident.

[hedgetrimmer]

Sustainable Resources 2004, a forum that will take place in Boulder Sept. 30 to Oct. 2,...is co-sponsored by the University of Colorado,

The word sustainable can be substitute with the word collectivist. "Sustainability" is merely collectivist managed resources, and no American University should be co-sponosoring this collectivist ideolgy.

Sustainable villages! Because Santa Cruz County is leading edge in "sustainability" due to the globalists and socialists that run our county, I can tell you what a "sustainable village" is. Its a small town that has had through force of government, its density increased by 5 fold, and its population quadrupled or quintupled. It is a village where traffic from other towns is forbad,and roads are redesigned so that regional traffic doesn't pass through it. A sustainable village often has a CC&R with the deveopler that says tenants( the don't build homes or condos, the commoners are not to own property)can't live their unless they give up the cars. Roads are "Calmed" and eliminated so that pedestriants and bicycles are the only traffic that can actually get from point A to point B.

The village is centered around secular "community centers", no churches exist in a "sustainable village". All musuems must be located in the "urban core" of the "sustainable village" ostensibly so that the ruling elite can decide what should be in it. Baseball diamonds and open fields where kids can just play are out (might cause kids to play competitive sports). One planner in the group that is planning the Marina "sustainable village" wants to discourage kids altogether. He says kids vandalize things and wants them eliminated from the village.

Does this sound sustainable to you? Or does it sound more like communism is stealthily taking over?

As for poverty stricken nations that are making money off of offshoring-- it is classic wealth transfer in the communist style-- its not sustainable for us, because we will be bankrupted by the time the global sustainable villages are complete.

[ninenot]

Steve Troy, executive director of the Sustainable Village, said the "digital bridges" created by information technology give Third World and other poor nations a chance for their citizens to make more money than they otherwise could. The result, he says, is a chance for those countries' citizens to become more active consumers of the things U.S. companies produce as well.

I love this stuff; same as the "Largest Consumer Marketplace In The Universe" garbage re: China.

At $10./hour, it's not likely that these programmers are going to be buying a lot of Cadillacs, (nor Chevy Vegas.)

Furthermore, WHICH products "manufactured in America?"---damn few left these days.

[Ciexyz]

They can always apply for temporary Christmas work at the Post Office.

[sixmil]

"One of the roots of terrorism is desperate people, poverty and hopelessness," Troy said. "You could make the strong argument that it (moving good jobs overseas) undermines some of the roots of terrorism."

Yes, impoverished people like Osama Bin Laden. More BS from the left wing outsourcing cartel. I read these articles one after another, and if it isn't lying about prevailing wages, it is spreading wealth around the world. The only way you can be a pro off-shoring 'conservative' is if you are voting for your own bottom line, or you are one of those moral conservatives who believes in government sponsored charity.

[Paul Ross]

"Everybody's getting a little freaked out over offshoring," said Vamsee Tirukkala,

Indian accomplice to the outsourcing hemmhoraging of U.S. economy..."Pay no attention to the man behind that curtain!!! Move along, nothing to see here..."

[WilliamofCarmichael]

Steve Troy, executive director of the Sustainable Village, said the "digital bridges" created by information technology give Third World and other poor nations a chance for their citizens to make more money than they otherwise could. The result, he says, is a chance for those countries' citizens to become more active consumers of the things U.S. companies produce as well.

That's great but Stephen Roach of Morgan-Stanley points out this pesky little problem.

"Globalization may work well in the long run but it appears to have profoundly disruptive impacts in the short run. That could reflect its inherent asymmetries -- developing countries first come on line as producers long before they emerge as consumers."

And when the developing country has a closed economy the wait will be forever for them to start doin' a whole lot o consumin' o'er there?

[WilliamofCarmichael]

"One of the roots of terrorism is desperate people, poverty and hopelessness," Troy said. "You could make the strong argument that it (moving good jobs overseas) undermines some of the roots of terrorism."

Help Osama bin Laden out of poverty. Give your tech job to him. Only you can prevent terrorists' fires.

Now what will he do with the 500 million dollars he has? Would he really show up for work? Oh well. If giving up 138 million jobs is all it takes to stop terrorism it's small price to pay -- and it ends poverty, too!

[Ciexyz]

The country as a whole cheered when they sent steel jobs overseas, thus decimating huge areas of PA, WV and Ohio. So now all these high tech workers can cry in their beer over their lost jobs.

The local Manpower agency is offering jobs for eight bucks an hour to people who want to drive a half hour to Washington PA and work in a banking cal center. Oh, it's only four hours a day, evening shift.

[freeeee]

"I think we're at risk of becoming a Third World country," Antman said.

[Havoc]

Let this come up in debate and the house will come down while the president dodges and equivocates. Gonna be an avoid at all costs issue I'd bet, that or a smile and pleasantries snowjob.

[Henchman]

Yup we are headed to being a third world country besed not only on offshoring but also, illegal aliens, the belief that food stamps is farming when we import our food from abroad, welfare for people who multiply rather than learn ABCs etc.