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To: SamFromSC
Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist

1) Avoidance. They never actually discuss issues head-on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility.

2) Selectivity. They tend to pick and choose opponents carefully, either applying the hit-and-run approach against mere commentators supportive of opponents, or focusing heavier attacks on key opponents who are known to directly address issues. Should a commentator become argumentative with any success, the focus will shift to include the commentator as well.

3) Coincidental. They tend to surface suddenly and somewhat coincidentally with a new controversial topic with no clear prior record of participation in general discussions in the particular public arena involved. They likewise tend to vanish once the topic is no longer of general concern. They were likely directed or elected to be there for a reason, and vanish with the reason.

4) Teamwork. They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength.

5) Anti-conspiratorial. They almost always have disdain for 'conspiracy theorists' and, usually, for those who in any way believe JFK was not killed by LHO. Ask yourself why, if they hold such disdain for conspiracy theorists, do they focus on defending a single topic discussed in a NG focusing on conspiracies? One might think they would either be trying to make fools of everyone on every topic, or simply ignore the group they hold in such disdain. Or, one might more rightly conclude they have an ulterior motive for their actions in going out of their way to focus as they do.

6) Artificial Emotions. An odd kind of 'artificial' emotionalism and an unusually thick skin -- an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial. Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their rebuttal. But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the 'image' and are hot and cold with respect to pretended emotions and their usually more calm or unemotional communications style. It's just a job, and they often seem unable to 'act their role in character' as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation. You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later -- an emotional yo-yo. With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game -- where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth, or simply give up.

7) Inconsistent. There is also a tendency to make mistakes which betray their true self/motives. This may stem from not really knowing their topic, or it may be somewhat 'freudian', so to speak, in that perhaps they really root for the side of truth deep within. I have noted that often, they will simply cite contradictory information which neutralizes itself and the author. For instance, one such player claimed to be a Navy pilot, but blamed his poor communicating skills (spelling, grammar, incoherent style) on having only a grade-school education. I'm not aware of too many Navy pilots who don't have a college degree. Another claimed no knowledge of a particular topic/situation but later claimed first-hand knowledge of it.

8) BONUS TRAIT: Time Constant. Recently discovered, with respect to News Groups, is the response time factor. There are three ways this can be seen to work, especially when the government or other empowered player is involved in a cover up operation: 1) ANY NG posting by a targeted proponent for truth can result in an IMMEDIATE response. The government and other empowered players can afford to pay people to sit there and watch for an opportunity to do some damage. SINCE DISINFO IN A NG ONLY WORKS IF THE READER SEES IT - FAST RESPONSE IS CALLED FOR, or the visitor may be swayed towards truth. 2) When dealing in more direct ways with a disinformationalist, such as email, DELAY IS CALLED FOR - there will usually be a minimum of a 48-72 hour delay. This allows a sit-down team discussion on response strategy for best effect, and even enough time to 'get permission' or instruction from a formal chain of command. 3) In the NG example 1) above, it will often ALSO be seen that bigger guns are drawn and fired after the same 48-72 hours delay - the team approach in play. This is especially true when the targeted truth seeker or their comments are considered more important with respect to potential to reveal truth. Thus, a serious truth sayer will be attacked twice for the same sin.

You're busted, troll.

276 posted on 06/03/2004 5:03:15 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: Joe Brower
1) Avoidance.

Isn't this the pot calling the kettle black. Who's the one who can't be bothered to back their claims in this discussion again?

2) Selectivity.

I've addressed everybody who's said anything to me so far, so this doesn't apply.

3) Coincidental.

I'm only here as a guest of Mud to defend Kerry, not as a troll, so this doesn't apply either.

4) Teamwork.

Um, team? Where are you? It's time to come and help me now, I'm outnumbered five-to-one here...team? =)

5) Anti-conspiratorial.

Well, it's true that I don't tend to go for conspiracy theories, unless there's ample, irrefutable evidence to back it up. But we're not talking about conspiracy theories now...or are we?

6) Artificial Emotions.

No false emotions here. In fact, you seem intent on projecting emotions on me that I don't have. And the only thing I've denied is "evidence" that doesn't pass simple benchmarks of logic.

7) Inconsistent.

Okay, okay, so I couldn't back up the AOL article I cited earlier. I did retract that statement, though, so it isn't fair to say this applies either.

8) BONUS TRAIT: Time Constant

You got me -- I was bored yesterday and did some rapid-fire posting. It tends to happen when you have four or five people debating with you. I have a project deadline staring me in the face tho, so I promise you won't hear that much from me today.

Unless, of course, you can't overcome your itch to have the last word...=)

282 posted on 06/03/2004 6:35:05 AM PDT by SamFromSC
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To: Joe Brower
"You're busted, troll."

ROFLMAO...great picture of a Lefty!! Sam is an unrepentant Lib'ral and Socialist, but aren't "trolls" folks who pretend to be something they're not? Sorta like the folks who claim to be something they are not, like saying "I'm a life-long Republican who simply cannot abide by Bush's Illegal War and will be voting fer Kerry!!" That's a TROLL, 'cuz I don't know of any "life-long GOPers" who would vote fer a Socialist like Kerry!!

Thanks fer setting him straight, though...those of us who read both sides of the discussion can decipher the Truth from the Spin.

FReegards...MUD

363 posted on 06/04/2004 7:42:44 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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