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A380 hits turbulence (Bless Those Environmentalists Alert!!)
Times of London | 05/21/04 | Russell Hotten

Posted on 05/21/2004 9:34:27 AM PDT by SW6906

IT HAS been five years in the planning and is costing £6.6 billion. But while the makers of the world's largest aircraft concentrated on the big picture, they seem to have overlooked a few minor details.

Not only is Airbus facing delays in delivery of the wings for its A380 super-jumbo jet, there is also fierce opposition to the company making essential changes to one of its factories.

Development of the 555-seat A380 is one of Europe's largest industrial projects, an engineering achievement that involves Airbus producing parts in four countries.

Yesterday, it emerged that the A380 won't even be able to land at its Hamburg factory to be fitted out and painted. A German court has ordered Airbus to stop extending an essential runway at the factory because of opposition from environmentalists and residents. To expand the runway, Airbus must dig into a dyke. Airbus plans to appeal, but given the power of German Greens no one is expecting an early resolution.

However, it would be an achievement for the aircraft to be able to fly to Hamburg at all. The A380's 80-metre wings are being made at Broughton, in North Wales. The plan was to ship them to the Airbus headquarters in Toulouse, France, on a purpose-built ferry. Except that the Environment Agency and the Welsh Assembly have refused the Port of Mostyn permission to dredge the harbour so that the ferry can dock. That would upset the wildlife.

Instead, the wings have to be partially dismantled and shipped on a smaller boat to Toulouse, but even this vessel may not get access to the dock as the harbour continues to silt up.

With the first A380s due for delivery in 2006, there is serious concern about delays in assembling the aircraft and doing the necessary test flights.

An Airbus spokesman in Toulouse said that it was a national holiday in France and referred The Times to Hamburg. At Hamburg they said it was a national holiday and to ring back on Monday.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Germany; News/Current Events; US: Washington; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: a380; airbus; environment; environmentalists
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I NEVER thought I'd say this: thank goodness for environmental wackos!!!
1 posted on 05/21/2004 9:34:30 AM PDT by SW6906
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To: SW6906

Dunno, Airbus might just expand their base of operations here in Wichita. The state would practically pay them for it. Kansas likes to subsidize a lot of stuff for "greater benefits" (here, jobs), doesn't matter who's in the legislature or sitting in the governor's mansion.


2 posted on 05/21/2004 9:37:46 AM PDT by Crazieman
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To: CyberCowboy777; El Conservador; Pukin Dog; boxsmith13; knarf; COEXERJ145; biblewonk; general_re

Ping


3 posted on 05/21/2004 9:38:46 AM PDT by SW6906
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To: eno_

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4 posted on 05/21/2004 9:39:42 AM PDT by SW6906
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To: SW6906

This plane is another Concorde. It will be a disaster for Airbus. We should hope that they build plenty of them. They will find few markets for them as it is a obsolete solution.


5 posted on 05/21/2004 9:40:35 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: SW6906
Before the end of next year, that aircraft will be canceled. Remember who said it first.
6 posted on 05/21/2004 9:40:37 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: SW6906

Knowing how they are making it, I wouldn't feel comfortable about flying in it.


7 posted on 05/21/2004 9:41:45 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Pukin Dog; CasearianDaoist

The A380 will take sales away from 747s in Asia. Remember who said it first.


8 posted on 05/21/2004 9:50:40 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: CasearianDaoist
This plane is another Concorde. It will be a disaster for Airbus. We should hope that they build plenty of them. They will find few markets for them as it is a obsolete solution.

Also being overlooked is the notion that the airlines are largely going to smaller planes as a result of industry dynamics and the rising cost of fuel. They simply can't afford to run half-empty planes across the country. So Airbus apparently is fighting an economic battle indirectly as well. Perhaps the overseas markets are different such that greater sized aircraft are practical, don't know.

9 posted on 05/21/2004 9:54:03 AM PDT by triceratops
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To: eno_
Not a chance. Asian nations are evaluating the 777 or a new extended 747, because they will not be able to afford the operating costs of the A380. The engines will not be efficient enough to save on fuel costs, every participating airline will have to pay for new gates and terminals, and many runways would have to be extended or widened to handle the aircraft. Airbus made a huge mistake.
10 posted on 05/21/2004 9:58:28 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog; eno_
Pukin Dog: "Before the end of next year, that aircraft will be canceled. Remember who said it first.

eno_:"The A380 will take sales away from 747s in Asia. Remember who said it first. "

eno_'s claim is a no-brainer as there is a market for large cattle cars in Asia. No doubt that the A380 buyers in Asia would possibly otherwise be buying 747-400s.

Pukin Dog's statement is MUCH more daring. I hope he's right.

11 posted on 05/21/2004 10:03:58 AM PDT by SW6906
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To: CasearianDaoist
This plane is another Concorde. It will be a disaster for Airbus.

Do they have any firm orders on the books?
12 posted on 05/21/2004 10:08:51 AM PDT by G L Tirebiter
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"To expand the runway, Airbus must dig into a dyke."

Then they'll have the lesbians against them, too!

13 posted on 05/21/2004 10:09:57 AM PDT by Redbob (still hoping for the "self-illuminating glass-bottomed parking lot" solution to the Iraq problem)
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To: G L Tirebiter
They have sold some 130+ of them, everyone believes they need to sell 250+ to break even. That's before all of these costly problems and delays they are now running into.

Virgin Atlantic just delayed their 2006 deliveries to 2007.......

14 posted on 05/21/2004 10:10:47 AM PDT by SW6906
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To: triceratops

That is just what I was talking about.


15 posted on 05/21/2004 10:11:58 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: triceratops
Also being overlooked is the notion that the airlines are largely going to smaller planes as a result of industry dynamics and the rising cost of fuel.

My 26 y.o. son is a captain for a regional airline flying 50 passenger RJs. Says they are inexpensive to buy, and cheap to fly. Needs just a captain, first officer and one flight attendant. They are very profitable.

16 posted on 05/21/2004 10:17:39 AM PDT by connectthedots
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They have sold some 130+ of them

Were do you get this? I did not think that they had actually sold more that 13 or so. The others were staments of intent. Can you point me toward a real source on this?

17 posted on 05/21/2004 10:18:22 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: SW6906

Not mentioned is airlines are very concerned with the rising cost of fuel and I predict they may cancel or postpone orders for the A380 fuel hog. Boing did the wize thing not to chase the 500+ seat market and instead build the beautiful fuel efficient 7E7. Besides polls show people prefer to fly on an A/P of carrying 250 passengers vs. 550.

FLY BOEING


18 posted on 05/21/2004 10:23:37 AM PDT by USNFighting31st
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To: connectthedots

I work the AOG desk here for Airbus in USA. This monster is a giant death trap. I would not set foot on one of those planes for anything. I wish the USA would ban them too. They might as well start producing Spruce Gooses now... and while thy're at it, why dont they just paint a big bullseye on the plane also. That would make it easier for those RPGs too..


19 posted on 05/21/2004 10:24:08 AM PDT by FreeManWhoCan ((!Kerry es una CHANQLETA! The kind that goes between the big stinky toe!))
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To: SW6906

They could not finish building the Tower of Babylon and now they can't come together to build the flying version.


20 posted on 05/21/2004 10:24:58 AM PDT by Mat_Helm
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